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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Eugenio Perez Martin <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org,
	Virtio-Dev <virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>, Oren Duer <oren@nvidia.com>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>, Bodong Wang <bodong@nvidia.com>,
	Alexander Mikheev <amikheev@nvidia.com>,
	Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-comment] [PATCH V2 2/2] virtio: introduce STOP status bit
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:38:55 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <03c6db33-58c8-5357-4c6d-7e5e836b328c@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <542aad20-8bca-f5db-647b-41909dacb8d1@nvidia.com>


在 2021/7/15 上午12:22, Max Gurtovoy 写道:
>
> On 7/14/2021 6:07 PM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>> It requires much more works than the simple virtqueue interface: 
>>> (the main
>>> issues is that the function is not self-contained in a single function)
>>>
>>> 1) how to interact with the existing device status state machine?
>>> 2) how to make it work in a nested environment?
>>> 3) how to migrate the PF?
>>> 4) do we need to allow more control other than just stop/freeze the 
>>> device
>>> in the admin virtqueue? If yes, how to handle the concurrent access 
>>> from PF
>>> and VF?
>>> 5) how it is expected to work with non-PCI virtio device?
>> I guess your device splitting proposal addresses some of these things?
>>
>> Max probably has the most to say about these points.
>>
>> If you want more input I can try to answer too, but I personally am not
>> developing devices that need this right now, so I might not be the best
>> person to propose solutions.
>
> I think we mentioned this in the past and agreed that the only common 
> entity between my solution for virtio VF migration to this proposal is 
> the new admin control queue.
>
> I can prepare some draft for this.
>
> In our solution the PF will manage migration process for it's VFs 
> using the PF admin queue. PF is not migratable.


That limits the use cases.


>
> I don't know who is using nested environments in production so don't 
> know if it worth talking about that.


There should be plenty users for the nested case.


>
> But, if you would like to implement it for testing, no problem. The VF 
> in level n, probably seen as PF in level n+1. So it can manage the 
> migration process for its nested VFs.


The PF dependency makes the design almost impossible to be used in a 
nested environment.


>
> For question 5) what non-PCI devices are interesting in live migration ?
>

Why not? Virtio support transport other than PCI (CCW, MMIO).

Thanks



  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-15  1:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-06  4:33 [PATCH V2 0/2] Vitqueue State Synchronization Jason Wang
2021-07-06  4:33 ` [PATCH V2 1/2] virtio: introduce virtqueue state as basic facility Jason Wang
2021-07-06  9:32   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-06 17:09     ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2021-07-06 19:08       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-06 23:49         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-07  2:50           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 12:03             ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-07 12:11               ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2021-07-07  2:42         ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  4:36           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  2:41       ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 12:27   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-07  3:29     ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2021-07-06  4:33 ` [PATCH V2 2/2] virtio: introduce STOP status bit Jason Wang
2021-07-06  9:24   ` [virtio-comment] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-07-07  3:20     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-09 17:23       ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2021-07-10 20:36         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-12  4:00           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-12  9:57             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13  3:27               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13  8:19                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-13  9:13                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 11:31                     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-13 12:23                       ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 12:28                         ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-14  2:47                           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14  6:20                             ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-14  8:53                               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14  9:24                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-15  2:01                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 10:00                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13 12:16                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14  9:53                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-14 10:29                       ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14 15:07                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-14 16:22                           ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-15  1:38                             ` Jason Wang [this message]
2021-07-15  9:26                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-16  1:48                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:08                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20  2:46                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15 21:18                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-16  2:19                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15  1:35                           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15  9:16                             ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-16  1:44                               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:18                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20  2:50                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-20 10:31                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-21  2:59                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15 10:01                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-16  2:03                               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-16  3:53                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:45                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20  3:04                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-20  8:50                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 10:48                                         ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-20 12:47                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-21  2:29                                         ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 10:20                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-22  7:33                                             ` Jason Wang
2021-07-22 10:24                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-22 13:08                                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-26 15:07                                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-27  7:43                                                     ` Max Reitz
2021-08-03  6:33                                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-08-03 10:37                                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-03 11:42                                                         ` Jason Wang
2021-08-03 12:22                                                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-04  1:42                                                             ` Jason Wang
2021-08-04  9:07                                                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-05  6:38                                                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-08-05  8:19                                                                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-06  6:15                                                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-08-08  9:31                                                                       ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-04  9:20                                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-05  6:45                                                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-08-04  8:38                                                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-04  8:36                                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-05  6:35                                                             ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:43                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20  3:02                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-20 10:19                                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-21  2:52                                       ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 10:42                                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-22  2:08                                           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-22 10:30                                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 12:27                                     ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-20 12:57                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 13:09                                         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-21  3:06                                           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 10:48                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-21 11:37                                             ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-21  3:09                                       ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 11:43                                         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-22  2:01                                           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-12  3:53         ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 12:50   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-06 13:18     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 14:27       ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-07  0:05         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-07  3:14           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  2:56         ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 16:45           ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-08  4:06             ` Jason Wang
2021-07-09 17:35   ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2021-07-12  4:06     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-10 20:40   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-12  4:04     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-12 10:12 ` [PATCH V2 0/2] Vitqueue State Synchronization Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13  3:08   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 10:30     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13 11:56       ` Jason Wang

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