From: Bernd Petrovitsch <bernd@firmix.at>
To: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>
Cc: "Paweł Sikora" <pluto@agmk.net>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 00:25:52 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1133911552.3299.37.camel@gimli.at.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051206202902.GC17108@redhat.com>
On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 15:29 -0500, Dave Jones wrote:
[...]
> Indeed, anything newer than a G550 is binary only as far as 3D is concerned.
> Sad, as Matrox used to be a really good recommendation for an
> opensource friendly graphic card vendor.
>
> It's not as if their newer cards are even that fast, so my only
> guess is that they've gone the binary blob route purely for
> paranoia reasons.
Yes, the "software as such patent" and/or "trivial patent" disease
spreaded the last decades - not only in USPTO-land (and identically in
JPO-land) but also basically illegally in EPO-land.
And it is probably much simpler to "prove" (in the law sense, not
technically/mathematically) a patent infringement if you have C source
of the driver instead of some undocumented blob of object code.
Bernd
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2005-12-05 10:52 Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-05 11:39 ` Dave Airlie
2005-12-05 13:55 ` Xavier Bestel
2005-12-08 14:27 ` Graham Murray
2005-12-05 12:18 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-12-05 13:07 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-12-05 18:44 ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-12-05 19:47 ` Gene Heskett
2005-12-06 10:51 ` Luke-Jr
2005-12-06 12:29 ` Ralf Baechle
2005-12-07 0:01 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-12-06 17:03 ` Jon Masters
2005-12-06 1:18 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-12-05 14:31 ` Brian Gerst
2005-12-06 3:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-12-05 16:23 ` Brian Gerst
2005-12-06 18:42 ` David Woodhouse
2005-12-06 19:23 ` Alan Cox
2005-12-06 21:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-06 22:25 ` David Woodhouse
2005-12-06 22:49 ` Alan Cox
2005-12-06 23:03 ` David Woodhouse
2005-12-06 23:25 ` Andrew Grover
2005-12-07 0:56 ` David Woodhouse
2005-12-06 10:42 ` Sander
[not found] ` <f0cc38560512060307m2ccc6db8xd9180c2a1a926c5c@mail.gmail.com>
2005-12-06 11:44 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-06 1:43 ` Brian Gerst
2005-12-06 14:09 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-12-14 16:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-12-14 17:01 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-12-14 17:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-12-14 18:51 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-12-06 14:13 ` Rudolf Randal
2005-12-06 14:49 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-06 21:39 ` Nicolas Mailhot
2005-12-08 0:58 ` Kasper Sandberg
2005-12-08 2:24 ` Diego Calleja
2005-12-08 6:21 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-12-08 12:31 ` Diego Calleja
2005-12-08 12:39 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-08 13:01 ` Matan Peled
2005-12-08 16:55 ` Kasper Sandberg
2005-12-08 19:32 ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-08 21:10 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-12-09 6:12 ` Ben Greear
2005-12-07 7:02 ` Luke-Jr
2005-12-07 7:03 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-06 15:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-12-06 15:30 ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 15:49 ` Paweł Sikora
2005-12-06 19:00 ` Tomasz Torcz
2005-12-06 19:11 ` Paweł Sikora
2005-12-06 19:34 ` Tomasz Torcz
2005-12-06 20:29 ` Dave Jones
2005-12-06 23:25 ` Bernd Petrovitsch [this message]
2005-12-06 19:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-06 19:37 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-06 19:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-06 19:55 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-06 20:25 ` Alan Cox
2005-12-06 21:55 ` Dave Airlie
2005-12-06 21:49 ` Reverse engineering (was Re: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario) Jeff Garzik
2005-12-06 20:54 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-06 23:13 ` Reverse engineering Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-06 23:19 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-06 22:21 ` Reverse engineering (was Re: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario) Lee Revell
2005-12-06 23:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-06 22:44 ` Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 22:56 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-12-06 23:17 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-06 21:00 ` Francois Romieu
2005-12-08 1:04 ` Kasper Sandberg
[not found] ` <6f6293f10512060404x57cfb97dqaa469f2701cd2528@mail.gmail.com>
2005-12-06 12:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-06 15:09 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-12-06 9:07 ` Dirk Steuwer
2005-12-06 10:46 ` Sander
2005-12-06 16:41 ` Dirk Steuwer
2005-12-06 18:48 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-06 21:35 ` Grahame White
2005-12-07 8:09 ` Dirk Steuwer
2005-12-07 12:47 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-12-07 0:45 ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-07 14:17 ` Runs with Linux (tm) Benjamin LaHaise
2005-12-07 14:34 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-12-07 18:13 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-12-07 18:22 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-12-12 21:13 ` David Lang
2005-12-12 21:20 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-12-07 19:12 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-07 19:47 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-12-07 22:23 ` Jeffrey Hundstad
1970-01-02 3:28 ` Pavel Machek
2005-12-07 22:29 ` Michael Poole
2005-12-08 8:08 ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-07 22:49 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-12-08 3:28 ` Magnus Damm
2005-12-08 2:07 ` Richard Knutsson
2005-12-08 2:38 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-12-08 4:15 ` Richard Knutsson
2005-12-08 8:50 ` free Driver proposal (tm) Dirk Steuwer
2005-12-08 9:42 ` Runs with Linux (tm) jerome lacoste
2005-12-08 11:04 ` Felix Oxley
2005-12-08 11:48 ` jerome lacoste
2005-12-08 12:23 ` Felix Oxley
2005-12-09 5:49 ` Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario Miles Bader
2005-12-09 9:49 ` Felix Oxley
2005-12-09 9:53 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-06 15:17 ` Pavel Machek
2005-12-13 2:00 ` Rob Landley
2005-12-13 7:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-13 9:07 ` Rob Landley
2005-12-13 10:18 ` Felix Oxley
2005-12-07 15:06 ` Rik van Riel
2005-12-08 7:14 ` Andrew McGregor
2005-12-06 8:29 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-07 18:39 ` Rik van Riel
2005-12-07 18:44 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-12-07 18:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-07 19:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-12-07 20:22 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-12-07 20:30 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-07 20:56 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-12-07 21:02 ` Dave Jones
2005-12-07 21:30 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-12-07 21:38 ` David S. Miller
2005-12-07 21:47 ` Andrew Walrond
2005-12-07 21:53 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-12-12 17:52 ` Ric Wheeler
2005-12-13 8:17 ` Andrew Walrond
2005-12-07 20:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-12-07 20:19 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-07 20:40 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-12-08 13:23 ` Dirk Steuwer
2005-12-08 14:03 ` Diego Calleja
2005-12-08 18:44 ` Dave Neuer
2005-12-07 20:51 ` Rik van Riel
2005-12-07 19:34 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-07 23:17 ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-09 6:17 ` Ben Greear
2005-12-08 10:58 ` Sander
2005-12-06 12:26 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-12-06 15:36 ` Hannu Savolainen
2005-12-06 18:51 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-06 20:26 ` Hannu Savolainen
2005-12-07 15:18 ` Avi Kivity
2005-12-07 20:10 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
[not found] ` <f0cc38560512071322m1d370589vd9f8a7684fa2ee1d@mail.gmail.com>
2005-12-08 12:19 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-12-06 17:23 ` Jon Masters
2005-12-05 17:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-05 17:29 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2005-12-05 22:52 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-06 6:28 ` Rob Landley
2005-12-05 18:26 ` Andrew Walrond
2005-12-05 18:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-05 19:41 ` jmerkey
2005-12-06 9:26 ` [OT] " Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-12-06 16:27 ` Simon Oosthoek
2005-12-06 18:50 ` Luke-Jr
2005-12-08 8:14 ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-08 11:30 ` Luke-Jr
2005-12-12 11:27 ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-08 13:48 ` Nix
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2005-12-12 19:46 ` Nix
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2005-12-13 22:21 ` Nix
2005-12-14 8:14 ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-16 7:38 ` Nix
2005-12-05 21:19 ` David Woodhouse
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2005-12-05 21:54 ` David Woodhouse
2005-12-05 23:56 ` Tim Bird
2005-12-06 0:10 ` Dave Airlie
2005-12-06 0:23 ` Tim Bird
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2005-12-06 4:08 ` Greg KH
2005-12-06 6:07 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-06 7:06 ` Neil Brown
2005-12-06 8:13 ` David Woodhouse
2005-12-06 9:10 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-06 16:47 ` Greg KH
2005-12-06 7:58 ` Coywolf Qi Hunt
2005-12-06 16:11 ` Greg KH
2005-12-07 1:38 ` Coywolf Qi Hunt
2005-12-07 2:40 ` Greg KH
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2005-12-07 5:29 ` Greg KH
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2005-12-11 16:49 ` Richard M. Stallman
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2005-12-12 15:37 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
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2005-12-10 20:04 ` [way OT] " Sean
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[not found] ` <E1ElJMz-00047E-1p@fencepost.gnu.org>
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2005-12-06 4:18 ` Linux " Al Viro
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2005-12-06 3:56 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
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2005-12-06 19:15 ` Jesper Juhl
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2005-12-10 5:51 ` Luke-Jr
2005-12-06 11:38 ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
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2005-12-06 21:13 ` Jon Masters
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2005-12-06 0:34 ` David Woodhouse
2005-12-06 0:53 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-12-06 1:20 ` Tim Bird
2005-12-06 1:35 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-12-06 1:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-06 9:16 ` Xavier Bestel
2005-12-06 9:26 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-06 9:56 ` David Woodhouse
2005-12-06 10:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-06 14:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-12-06 15:25 ` David Woodhouse
2005-12-06 19:58 ` Alan Cox
2005-12-06 19:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-06 4:12 ` Greg KH
2005-12-06 4:18 ` Michael Poole
2005-12-06 17:21 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-12-07 12:39 ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-07 12:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-07 14:25 ` Rik van Riel
2005-12-07 15:56 ` Michael Poole
2005-12-06 18:19 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-12-06 19:27 ` Alan Cox
2005-12-06 19:38 ` Theodore Ts'o
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2005-12-07 23:59 ` Chase Venters
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2005-12-06 15:31 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-12-07 21:06 Salyzyn, Mark
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2005-12-13 9:44 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
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2005-12-08 15:49 AW: " dirk
2005-12-08 16:14 ` Diego Calleja
2005-12-08 20:28 ` Horst von Brand
[not found] <20051208083941.B233113E51@rhn.tartu-labor>
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2005-12-13 22:59 mreuther
2005-12-13 23:05 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-13 23:54 art
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2005-12-14 21:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-15 4:49 ` Al Boldi
2005-12-15 5:24 ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-15 8:31 ` Al Boldi
2005-12-15 8:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-15 9:24 ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-15 9:35 ` Sean
2005-12-15 9:35 ` Sean
2005-12-15 11:14 ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-15 18:29 ` Al Boldi
2005-12-15 19:01 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-12-15 19:06 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-15 19:09 ` Al Viro
2005-12-16 2:09 ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-19 10:57 ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-19 15:19 ` Al Boldi
2005-12-15 5:39 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-15 7:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-15 9:11 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
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