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From: Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: dcbw@redhat.com, mcgrof@do-not-panic.com, zoltan.kiss@citrix.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru, jmorris@namei.org, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org,
	kaber@trash.net
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 2/4] net: enables interface option to skip IP
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 00:02:00 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1393286520.6823.123.camel@deadeye.wl.decadent.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140224.180426.411052665068255886.davem@davemloft.net>

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On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 18:04 -0500, David Miller wrote:
> From: Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com>
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:22:00 -0600
> 
> > In the future I expect more people will want to disable IPv4 as
> > they move to IPv6.
> 
> I definitely don't.
> 
> I've been lightly following this conversation and I have to say
> a few things.
> 
> disable_ipv6 was added because people wanted to make sure their
> machines didn't generate any ipv6 traffic because "ipv6 is not
> mature", "we don't have our firewalls configured to handle that
> kind of traffic" etc.
> 
> None of these things apply to ipv4.
> 
> And if you think people will go to ipv6 only, you are dreaming.
>
> Name a provider of a major web sitewho will go to strictly only
> providing an ipv6 facing site?
>
> Only an idiot who wanted to lose significiant nunbers of page views
> and traffic would do that,

That's obviously true for public-facing servers, but that doesn't mean
it's not useful to anyone.

> so ipv4 based connectivity will be universally necessary forever.

You can run an internal network, or access network, as v6-only with
NAT64 and DNS64 at the border.  I believe some mobile networks are doing
this; it was also done on the main FOSDEM wireless network this year.

Ben.

> I think disable_ipv4 is absolutely a non-starter.


-- 
Ben Hutchings
Beware of bugs in the above code;
I have only proved it correct, not tried it. - Donald Knuth

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-25  0:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-15  2:59 [RFC v2 0/4] net: bridge / ip optimizations for virtual net backends Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-15  2:59 ` [RFC v2 1/4] bridge: enable interfaces to opt out from becoming the root bridge Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-15  2:59 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-15  2:59   ` [Bridge] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-15  2:59   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-16 18:56   ` Ben Hutchings
2014-02-16 18:56     ` [Bridge] " Ben Hutchings
2014-02-16 18:56   ` Ben Hutchings
2014-02-16 18:57   ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-16 18:57   ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-16 18:57     ` [Bridge] " Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-16 18:57     ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-18 21:02     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-18 21:02     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-18 21:02       ` [Bridge] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19  9:52       ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell
2014-02-19  9:52         ` [Bridge] " Ian Campbell
2014-02-19  9:52         ` Ian Campbell
2014-02-19 14:35         ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-19 14:35         ` [Xen-devel] " Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-19 14:35           ` [Bridge] " Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-19 17:02           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19 17:02           ` [Xen-devel] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19 17:02             ` [Bridge] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19 17:08             ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-19 17:08             ` [Xen-devel] " Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-19 17:08               ` [Bridge] " Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-19 17:08               ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-19 17:59               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19 17:59               ` [Xen-devel] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19 17:59                 ` [Bridge] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19 17:59                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-20 17:19                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-20 17:19                 ` [Xen-devel] " Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-20 17:19                   ` [Bridge] " Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-20 17:19                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-20 20:24                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-20 20:24                   ` [Xen-devel] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-20 20:24                     ` [Bridge] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-20 20:24                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-21 13:02                     ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-21 13:02                     ` [Xen-devel] " Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-21 13:02                       ` [Bridge] " Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-21 16:01                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-21 16:01                       ` [Xen-devel] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-21 16:01                         ` [Bridge] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-21 16:01                         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-22  1:38                         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-22  1:38                           ` [Bridge] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-22  1:38                           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-22  1:38                         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-20 13:19             ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-20 13:19             ` [Xen-devel] " Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-20 13:19               ` [Bridge] " Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-20 20:01               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-20 20:01               ` [Xen-devel] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-20 20:01                 ` [Bridge] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-20 20:01                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-21 13:02                 ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-21 13:02                   ` [Bridge] " Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-21 15:59                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-21 15:59                   ` [Xen-devel] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-21 15:59                     ` [Bridge] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-21 15:59                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-21 13:02                 ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-19  9:52       ` Ian Campbell
2014-02-17 17:52   ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-17 17:52   ` [Xen-devel] " Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-17 17:52     ` [Bridge] " Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-19 16:45     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19 16:45     ` [Xen-devel] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19 16:45       ` [Bridge] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19 16:45       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-20 14:47       ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-20 14:47       ` [Xen-devel] " Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-20 14:47         ` [Bridge] " Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-20 20:28         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-20 20:28         ` [Xen-devel] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-20 20:28           ` [Bridge] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-20 20:28           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-15  2:59 ` [RFC v2 2/4] net: enables interface option to skip IP Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-15  2:59   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-17 20:23   ` Dan Williams
2014-02-18 21:19     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-18 21:42       ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-18 21:42       ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-19 17:13         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19 17:13         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19 16:45       ` Dan Williams
2014-02-19 16:45       ` Dan Williams
2014-02-19 17:20         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19 19:13           ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-19 19:13           ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-20 20:39             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-21 13:02               ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-21 13:02               ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-22  1:40                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-22  1:40                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-20 20:39             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-20  0:56           ` Dan Williams
2014-02-20  0:56           ` Dan Williams
2014-02-20  0:58             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-02-20  0:58             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-02-20  1:02               ` Dan Williams
2014-02-20  1:02               ` Dan Williams
2014-02-20 20:31             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-20 20:31             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-24 18:22               ` Dan Williams
2014-02-24 20:33                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-24 20:33                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-24 23:04                 ` David Miller
2014-02-24 23:04                 ` David Miller
2014-02-25  0:02                   ` Ben Hutchings [this message]
2014-02-25  0:12                     ` David Miller
2014-02-25  0:12                     ` David Miller
2014-02-25  2:01                       ` Ben Hutchings
2014-02-25  2:01                       ` Ben Hutchings
2014-02-25  2:23                         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-02-25  2:23                         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-02-25 19:50                       ` Paul Marks
2014-02-25 19:50                       ` Paul Marks
2014-02-25  0:02                   ` Ben Hutchings
2014-02-25 21:07                   ` Dan Williams
2014-02-25 21:07                   ` Dan Williams
2014-02-25 21:18                     ` David Miller
2014-02-25 21:18                     ` David Miller
2014-02-26  1:29                       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-02-26  1:29                       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-02-24 18:22               ` Dan Williams
2014-02-19 17:20         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-18 21:19     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-17 20:23   ` Dan Williams
2014-02-15  2:59 ` [RFC v2 3/4] xen-netback: use a random MAC address Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-15  2:59 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-17 10:29   ` [Xen-devel] " David Vrabel
2014-02-18 11:22     ` Ian Campbell
2014-02-18 21:30       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-18 21:30       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-18 11:22     ` Ian Campbell
2014-02-17 10:29   ` David Vrabel
2014-02-15  2:59 ` [RFC v2 4/4] xen-netback: skip IPv4 and IPv6 interfaces Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-17 14:36   ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-17 14:36   ` [Xen-devel] " Zoltan Kiss
2014-02-18 20:16     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19  9:47       ` Ian Campbell
2014-02-19  9:47       ` Ian Campbell
2014-02-18 20:16     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-15  2:59 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-17 10:27 ` [Xen-devel] [RFC v2 0/4] net: bridge / ip optimizations for virtual net backends David Vrabel
2014-02-18 19:43   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-18 19:43   ` [Xen-devel] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19  9:48     ` Ian Campbell
2014-02-19  9:48     ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell
2014-02-19 17:10       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-19 17:10       ` [Xen-devel] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2014-02-17 10:27 ` David Vrabel

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