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From: Leonard den Ottolander <leonard-lists-2Avth2y2NeLyQNdsBcn8aGZHpeb/A1Y/@public.gmane.org>
To: linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: binfmts.h MAX_ARG_STRINGS excessive value allows heap spraying
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2017 19:18:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1488997111.5155.10.camel@quad> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f7f9f60b-0f39-7dce-1778-3aa40ba198ef-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, 2017-03-08 at 12:54 -0500, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
> The most demanding application I've ever seen when playing with this is the
> compiler because it has to pass some very large strings from the driver
> to a subprocess. So much so that we have `@file` to use intermediate file
> storage to workaround kernel limits on various operating systems.

So a value that would satisfy glibc would suffice. Any problem with that
limit of 4096 arguments? The size of each individual argument is still
the old limit of 128KiB.

By the way, my kernel build example seems to already catch your
scenario. Kernel build uses a compiler.

> In glibc we limit setuid applications, for example sanitizing their
> environment where it would cause problems or alter behaviour in 
> unintended ways.
> 
> Can we avoid imposing a limit on all applications?

Not imposing a limit - btw, 0x7FFFFFFF *is* a limit albeit a ridiculous
and dangerously large limit - is a bad idea, because it allows the
aforementioned "heap-spraying" which is a serious attack vector.

Note that 128KiB * 4096 arguments still adds up to 512MiB!!!

If you don't feel the limit of 4096 arguments is sufficient please
provide us with an example where that limit is insufficient.

Regards,
Leonard.

-- 
mount -t life -o ro /dev/dna /genetic/research

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-08 18:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-07 14:44 binfmts.h MAX_ARG_STRINGS excessive value allows heap spraying Leonard den Ottolander
2017-03-08 17:54 ` Carlos O'Donell
     [not found]   ` <f7f9f60b-0f39-7dce-1778-3aa40ba198ef-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-08 18:18     ` Leonard den Ottolander [this message]
2017-03-08 18:21       ` Leonard den Ottolander
2017-03-08 20:47       ` Joseph Myers
2017-03-08 21:05       ` Carlos O'Donell
     [not found]         ` <f16cd7f8-f996-cf66-d640-50b0ccee06c7-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-09 14:04           ` Leonard den Ottolander
2017-03-09 14:35             ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-03-09 14:14           ` Leonard den Ottolander
2017-03-09 20:34             ` Carlos O'Donell
     [not found]               ` <81d8e14e-e110-4b96-5d45-8bb3b56f4866-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-10 12:10                 ` Leonard den Ottolander
2017-03-14  0:51                   ` Carlos O'Donell
     [not found]                     ` <b736f01f-ef0a-56de-bf57-c6d3d74262a4-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-17 13:12                       ` Leonard den Ottolander
2017-03-09 23:10             ` Joseph Myers
     [not found]               ` <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703092304110.23273-9YEB1lltEqivcGRMvF24k2I39yigxGEX@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-10  0:01                 ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-03-08 18:48     ` Leonard den Ottolander
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-03-06 15:29 Leonard den Ottolander

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