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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"Pekka Enberg" <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	"Tom Zanussi" <tzanussi@gmail.com>,
	"Frédéric Weisbecker" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo" <acme@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: disabling group leader perf_event
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:30:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100906163041.3677fd66@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C850147.8010908@redhat.com>

> > This could be used for far more than just instrumentation: IMO security
> > policies could be expressed in such a way. (Simplified, they are quite
> > similar to filters installed on syscall entry/exit, with the ability of
> > the filter to influence whether the syscall is performed.)

Hardly - security policy is almost entirely based on context and state
change, the syscalls causing the state change are usually of minor
interest

(eg we don't care how the uid or chmod bits got set, we care what value
they hold)

> For me the requirements are:
> - turing complete (more than just filters)

Needs infinite storage and may not terminate

> - easy interface to kernel APIs (like hrtimers)
> - safe to use by untrusted users
> 
> The actual language doesn't really matter.

It does for performance and audit. You don't want a JIT as it murders
cache performance, which means you want

- no self modification
- bounded run time
- bounded memory use
- trustable behaviour for access

and usually minimal side effects since you want to optimise very
heavily and side effects stop that (which is also why Fortran still kicks
C's backside for crunching)

Not sure you need/want to do the conversion in kernel. I'd have thought a
sane way to handle it would have been to throw stuff at the kernel in
some kind of semi-sane byte code that can be interpreted by a noddy
interpreter but firstly when you get it have the kernel try and run a
helper to compile it.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-06 15:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-06  9:12 disabling group leader perf_event Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 11:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-06 11:34   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 11:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-06 11:58       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 12:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-06 12:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 13:16             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-06 16:42               ` Tom Zanussi
2010-09-07 12:53                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-07 14:16                   ` Tom Zanussi
2010-09-06 12:49           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 12:43         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 12:45           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 12:59             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 13:41               ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-06 13:54                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 14:57               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 15:30                 ` Alan Cox [this message]
2010-09-06 15:20                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 15:48                     ` Alan Cox
2010-09-06 17:50                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 15:47                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 17:55                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07  3:44                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07  8:33                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-07  9:13                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 22:43                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07 15:55                       ` Alan Cox
2010-09-08  1:44                       ` Paul Mackerras
2010-09-08  6:16                         ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-08  6:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-08  7:30                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-08 19:30                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-09-09  7:38                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-08  6:19                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 20:31                   ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-06 20:37                     ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-07  4:03                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07  9:30                       ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-07 22:27                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07 10:57                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-07 12:14                       ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-07 13:35                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-07 13:47                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 16:02                       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-12  6:46                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-09-12 17:54                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 18:48                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-12 19:14                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-09-12 20:32                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-12 21:06                             ` Pavel Machek
2010-09-12 22:19                               ` Ingo Molnar

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