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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>,
	indan@nul.nu, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	bdonlan@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	jan.kratochvil@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/10] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 21:08:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110531190809.GA20691@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimupSd774N-VBoswOj+Dza=5ofvWQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/30, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> Guys, changing interfaces is not going to help user space. The current ones
> may not be wonderful, but they work.
>
> Making up some new "better" interface would be just worse for users, they
> still need to support the old one anyway.

IOW, you are starting to agree that ptrace is not fixable ;)

On a seriouse note, of course you are right, but what we should do?

Speaking of this particular problem, it is really annoying. The leader
exits, and it even notifies the tracer. For what? waitpid() returns 0
or hangs depending on WNOHANG, any ptrace() request fails with ESRCH.

Ironically, recently I got the bug-report which blaims this behaviour,
although it was mentioned many times during the previous discussions.

I agree, we can't change the current behaviour of WEXITED in this case.

I also agree that if we, say, add WPTRACE_EXITED or change the semantics
of WEXITED when the traced leader is PT_SEIZED, then probably this new
feature won't be used by gdb/etc in the forseeable future.

So what should we do?

OK, this particular problem is minor, perhaps we can simply ignore it
and do not try to help the userspace.

But the same objection applies to any new feature in this area. Say,
PTRACE_INTERRUPT. To me, this request is obviously good/useful and
nobody argued so far. But, will it ever be used by gdb? I am not sure,
but at least we add the possibility.

Oleg.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-05-31 19:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-16 18:17 [PATCHSET ptrace] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE/INTERRUPT and group stop notification, take#2 Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 01/10] signal: remove three noop tracehooks Tejun Heo
2011-05-17 16:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-17 16:27     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-18 18:45   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 12:11     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:10       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 02/10] job control: introduce JOBCTL_TRAP_STOP and use it for group stop trap Tejun Heo
2011-05-18 16:48   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-18 16:57     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 10:19     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:19       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 03/10] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE Tejun Heo
2011-05-18  0:40   ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-18  9:55     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-18 10:44       ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-18 11:14         ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 14:17       ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 15:02         ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 19:31         ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-19 22:42           ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-19 23:00             ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-20  1:44               ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-20  8:56                 ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-20  9:12                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-20  9:07               ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-20  9:27                 ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-20  9:31                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-24  9:49                     ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-24 12:00                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-24 12:36                         ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-24 14:02                           ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-24 14:55                             ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-25 18:18                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-26  9:10                               ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-26 10:01                                 ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-26 10:11                                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-26 14:55                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-23 13:09         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-23 12:43       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-24 10:28         ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-25 18:29           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-26  9:14             ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-26 15:01               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-27 18:21                 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-30 19:22                   ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                     ` <BANLkTimupSd774N-VBoswOj+Dza=5ofvWQ@mail.gmail.com>
2011-05-31 19:08                       ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2011-05-31 21:32                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-01 20:04                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-06-01  5:34                         ` Tejun Heo
2011-06-01 20:08                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-06-02  5:01                             ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-18 18:17   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 10:34     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 04/10] ptrace: implement PTRACE_INTERRUPT Tejun Heo
2011-05-18 18:38   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 12:07     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:21       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 05/10] ptrace: restructure ptrace_getsiginfo() Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 06/10] ptrace: add siginfo.si_pt_flags Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 07/10] ptrace: make group stop state visible via PTRACE_GETSIGINFO Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:27   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 16:40     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 08/10] ptrace: don't let PTRACE_SETSIGINFO override __SI_TRAP siginfo Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 09/10] ptrace: add JOBCTL_BLOCK_NOTIFY Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:32   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 16:44     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:48       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 16:58         ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 10/10] ptrace: implement group stop notification for ptracer Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:32   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 16:57     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 17:13       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 22:48         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-20  8:59           ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-23 13:34             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-20  8:46         ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:58     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-23 11:45       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-24 13:44         ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-24 15:44           ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-26 14:44           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-28  7:32             ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-18 18:50 ` [PATCHSET ptrace] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE/INTERRUPT and group stop notification, take#2 Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 12:08   ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 15:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-19 15:19   ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 22:45   ` Denys Vlasenko

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