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From: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
To: Chris Wilson <chris@chris-wilson.co.uk>
Cc: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	Intel Graphics Development <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/81] modeset rework
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 16:57:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120715145733.GB5184@phenom.ffwll.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1342358035_1196@CP5-2952>

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 02:13:41PM +0100, Chris Wilson wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:27:43 +0200, Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch> wrote:
> > Or: How to fix cpu edp in 81 simple steps. Admittedly this includes some minor
> > detours.
> 
> Let me quickly jump in with my demands:
> 
> That modeset should detect failure and propagate that back to the user.
> 
> The modesetting code has outgrown its origins of setting a couple of
> registers and be done, as we are now in the domain of fiddly link
> training and end-point negotations. So it is fragile, can conceivably
> fail and so the errors need to be reported rather than blindly assume
> the output is now working.
> 
> So all of these nice new WARNs I'm seeing need to return error codes as
> well.

Tbh failure propagation hasn't been front-and-center when I've done this
rework, but I've certainly noticed that we currenlty suck at this. Hence
nothing too coherent, but just a few thoughts:

- I think the WARNs should stay as-is. With the new code I only call them
  once the modeset has completely, or at least once our code thinks it has
  completed. Imo it's a really good tool to catch state-tracking goof-ups
  or modeset sequence ordering issues, not more. I.e. all the WARNs I've
  hit cleared indicated an issue in the code itself, and usually where the
  harbingers of this pesky permanent-black-screen-till-reboot issue.

- The current error code handling inherited from the crtc helpers is
  rather lacking, i.e. I wondered whether I should smash a quick patch on
  top of this series to make set_base interruptible. And then noticed that
  we only return a bool in set_base (and many other such places). So even
  improving this for some simple&know cases will be quite some work.

- I think we should also differentiate between the different reasons why a
  modeset can fail: From modes that the output doesn't support, failure in
  pinning the fb because the gpu died, global resource allocation issues
  (e.g. lack of pll, fdi links, ...) to the hw actually doing something
  wrong. Current set_mode ioctl is restricted to -ERRNO, but I wonder
  whether we should add something more flexible for the global modeset
  code (similar to how we already have tons of reasons to reject a mode in
  the ->mode_valid functions).

- For global resource allocation and reservation (get_pch, pin_and_fence
  ...) I think we should move this kind of stuff out of the crtc/encoder
  callbacks into a prepare step (maybe merged together with the
  ->mode_fixup step). That way the actual modeset code should only fail if
  the hw is in a non-cooperative mood. This is also a necessary step to
  implement Jesse's idea of a modeset configuration checker. If we'd add
  some drm modeset specific error codes the mode configuration selection
  tool could even show nice tooltips on greyed-out-modes, explaning why
  the mode doesn't work (e.g. "not enough memory bandwidth", "not enough
  plls", or some generic "not enough resources" error ...). Yeah, I can
  have dreams ...

- After all that, we'd be left with with the true hw issues like link
  training failures or stuck pipes. Judging by bug reports and own
  experience, once we're in such a state, we're stuck in such a state and
  re-doing the modeset doesn't help too much. We already try to restore
  the old mode, but if that also fails I'm not too sure what userspace
  should do with the resulting -EIO.

At least for the short-term I think that our modeset code will profits the
most if we exploit the simplified state machine of the new code and cut
down on the statespace we're handling in the code. Like this patch series
already does for DP. Also, all these WARNs should help in improving our
modeset experience indirectly, through more bug reports and their fixes
;-)

Long term I agree that we need robuster error handling, but I think
handling of hw error should be about the last item: Ime we tend to keep on
flailing once we start, and I expect the pay-off in code quality and
robustness of the previous items to be better. In any case, this is all
stuff that should sit on top of this modeset rework.

Cc'ing Ville, maybe he has some further ideas from his global modeset
work.

Cheers, Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Mail: daniel@ffwll.ch
Mobile: +41 (0)79 365 57 48

      reply	other threads:[~2012-07-15 14:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-11 14:27 [PATCH 00/81] modeset rework Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 01/81] drm/i915: add crtc->enable/disable vfuncs insted of dpms Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 02/81] drm/i915: rip out crtc prepare/commit indirection Daniel Vetter
2012-07-12 14:44   ` Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 03/81] drm/i915: add direct encoder disable/enable infrastructure Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 04/81] drm/i915: add missing gen2 pipe A quirk entries Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 05/81] drm/i915: rip out the overlay pipe A workaround Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 06/81] drm/i915: prepare load-detect pipe code for dpms changes Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 07/81] drm/i915/hdmi: convert to encoder->disable/enable Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 08/81] drm/i915/tv: convert to encoder enable/disable Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 09/81] drm/i915/lvds: ditch ->prepare special case Daniel Vetter
2012-07-22 14:52   ` Daniel Vetter
2012-07-22 16:32     ` Takashi Iwai
2012-07-22 19:20       ` Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 10/81] drm/i915/lvds: convert to encoder disable/enable Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 11/81] drm/i915/dp: " Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 12/81] drm/i915: create VLV_DSIPLAY_BASE #define Daniel Vetter
2012-07-20 12:07   ` Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 13/81] drm/i915: group ADPA #defines together Daniel Vetter
2012-07-12 13:06   ` Paulo Zanoni
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 14/81] drm/i915: add inte_crt->adpa_reg Daniel Vetter
2012-07-20 11:56   ` Chris Wilson
2012-07-20 12:09   ` Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 15/81] drm/i915/crt: convert to encoder disable/enable Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:27 ` [PATCH 16/81] drm/i915/sdvo: " Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 17/81] drm/i915: simplify dvo dpms interface Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 18/81] drm/i915/dvo: convert to encoder disable/enable Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 19/81] drm/i915: simplify possible_clones computation Daniel Vetter
2012-07-12 18:10   ` Paulo Zanoni
2012-07-12 18:47     ` Daniel Vetter
2012-07-12 18:08       ` [PATCH] " Daniel Vetter
2012-07-12 19:48         ` Paulo Zanoni
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 20/81] drm/i915: add port parameter to intel_hdmi_init Daniel Vetter
2012-07-12 18:19   ` [PATCH] " Daniel Vetter
2012-07-12 19:49     ` Paulo Zanoni
2012-07-17  8:43       ` Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 21/81] drm/i915: convert dpms functions of dvo/sdvo/crt Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 22/81] drm/i915: rip out encoder->disable/enable checks Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 23/81] drm/i915: clean up encoder_prepare/commit Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 24/81] drm/fb helper: don't call drm_crtc_helper_set_config Daniel Vetter
2012-07-18 15:49   ` Daniel Vetter
2012-07-18 15:50     ` Daniel Vetter
2012-07-20  1:17       ` Dave Airlie
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 25/81] drm: remove the list_head from drm_mode_set Daniel Vetter
2012-07-20  1:23   ` Dave Airlie
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 26/81] drm/i915: copy&paste drm_crtc_helper_set_config Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 27/81] drm/i915: call set_base directly Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 28/81] drm/i915: inline intel_best_encoder Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 29/81] drm/i915: copy&paste drm_crtc_helper_set_mode Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 30/81] drm/i915: simplify intel_crtc_prepare_encoders Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 31/81] drm/i915: rip out encoder->prepare/commit Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 32/81] drm/i915: call crtc functions directly Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 33/81] drm/i915: WARN when trying to enabled an unused crtc Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 34/81] drm/i915: Add interfaces to read out encoder/connector hw state Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 35/81] drm/i915/dp: implement get_hw_state Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 36/81] drm/i915/hdmi: " Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 37/81] drm/i915/tv: " Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 38/81] drm/i915/lvds: " Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 39/81] drm/i915/crt: " Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 40/81] drm/i915/sdvo: " Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 41/81] drm/i915/dvo: " Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 42/81] drm/i915: read out the modeset hw state at load and resume time Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 43/81] drm/i915: check connector hw/sw state Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 44/81] drm/i915: rip out intel_crtc->dpms_mode Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 45/81] drm/i915: rip out intel_dp->dpms_mode Daniel Vetter
2012-07-26 18:06   ` Paulo Zanoni
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 46/81] drm/i915: ensure the force pipe A quirk is actually followed Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 47/81] drm/i915: introduce struct intel_set_config Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 48/81] drm/i915: extract modeset config save/restore code Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 49/81] drm/i915: extract intel_set_config_compute_mode_changes Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 50/81] drm/i915: extract intel_set_config_update_output_state Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 51/81] drm/i915: implement crtc helper semantics relied upon by the fb helper Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 52/81] drm/i915: don't update the fb base if there is no fb Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 53/81] drm/i915: convert pointless error checks in set_config to BUGs Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 54/81] drm/i915: don't save all the encoder/crtc state in set_config Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 55/81] drm/i915: stage modeset output changes Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 56/81] drm/i915: push crtc->fb update into pipe_set_base Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 57/81] drm/i915: remove crtc disabling special case Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 58/81] drm/i915: move output commit and crtc disabling into set_mode Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 59/81] drm/i915: extract adjusted mode computation Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 60/81] drm/i915: use staged outuput config in tv->mode_fixup Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 61/81] drm/i915: use staged outuput config in lvds->mode_fixup Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 62/81] drm/i915: compute masks of crtcs affected in set_mode Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 63/81] drm/i915: implement new set_mode code flow Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 64/81] drm/i915: push commit_output_state past crtc disabling Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 65/81] drm/i915: s/intel_encoder_disable/intel_encoder_noop Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 66/81] drm/i915: kill a few unused things in dev_priv Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 67/81] drm/i915: WARN if the pipe won't turn off Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 68/81] drm/i915: switch the load detect code to the staged modeset config Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 69/81] drm/i915: push commit_output_state past the crtc/encoder preparing Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 16:02   ` [PATCH] " Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 70/81] drm/i915: disable all crtcs at suspend time Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 71/81] drm/i915: add tons of modeset state checks Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 17:46   ` [PATCH] " Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 72/81] drm/i915: extract ironlake_fdi_pll_disable Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 73/81] drm/i915: rip out intel_disable_pch_ports Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 74/81] drm/i915: don't disable fdi links harder in ilk_crtc_enable Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 75/81] drm/i915: don't call dpms funcs after set_mode Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:28 ` [PATCH 76/81] drm/i915: update dpms property in set_mode Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:29 ` [PATCH 77/81] drm/i915: add encoder->pre_enable/post_disable Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:29 ` [PATCH 78/81] drm/i915: clean up the cpu edp pll special case Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:29 ` [PATCH 79/81] drm/i915: robustify edp_pll_on/off Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 17:47   ` [PATCH] " Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:29 ` [PATCH 80/81] drm/i915: rip out dp port enabling cludges^Wchecks Daniel Vetter
2012-07-11 14:38 ` [PATCH 81/81] drm/i915: disable the cpu edp port after the cpu pipe Daniel Vetter
2012-07-15 13:13 ` [PATCH 00/81] modeset rework Chris Wilson
2012-07-15 14:57   ` Daniel Vetter [this message]

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