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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	mingo@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, corbet@lwn.net, mhocko@kernel.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	will.deacon@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] locking: Introduce smp_cond_acquire()
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:39:40 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151111093939.GA6314@fixme-laptop.cn.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151103175958.GA4800@redhat.com>

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Hi Oleg,

On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 06:59:58PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
[snip]
> 
> Unfortunately this doesn't look exactly right...
> 
> spin_unlock_wait() is not equal to "while (locked) relax", the latter
> is live-lockable or at least sub-optimal: we do not really need to spin

Just be curious, should spin_unlock_wait() semantically be an ACQUIRE?
Because spin_unlock_wait() is used for us to wait for a certain lock to
RELEASE so that we can do something *after* we observe the RELEASE.
Considering the follow example:

	CPU 0 				CPU 1
	============================	===========================
	{ X = 0 }
					WRITE_ONCE(X, 1);
					spin_unlock(&lock);
	spin_unlock_wait(&lock)
	r1 = READ_ONCE(X);

If spin_unlock_wait() is not an ACQUIRE, r1 can be 0 in this case,
right? Am I missing something subtle here? Or spin_unlock_wait() itself
doesn't have the ACQUIRE semantics, but it should always come with a
smp_mb() *following* it to achieve the ACQUIRE semantics? However in
do_exit(), an smp_mb() is preceding raw_spin_unlock_wait() rather than
following, which makes me confused... could you explain that? Thank you
;-)

Regards,
Boqun

> until we observe !spin_is_locked(), we only need to synchronize with the
> current owner of this lock. Once it drops the lock we can proceed, we
> do not care if another thread takes the same lock right after that.
> 
> Oleg.
> 

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-11-11  9:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-02 13:29 [PATCH 0/4] scheduler ordering bits Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 13:29 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched: Better document the try_to_wake_up() barriers Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-04  0:09   ` Byungchul Park
2015-12-04  0:58   ` Byungchul Park
2015-11-02 13:29 ` [PATCH 2/4] sched: Document Program-Order guarantees Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 20:27   ` Paul Turner
2015-11-02 20:34     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 22:09       ` Paul Turner
2015-11-02 22:12         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-20 10:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-20 14:08       ` Boqun Feng
2015-11-20 14:18         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-20 14:21           ` Boqun Feng
2015-11-20 19:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 13:29 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched: Fix a race in try_to_wake_up() vs schedule() Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 13:29 ` [PATCH 4/4] locking: Introduce smp_cond_acquire() Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 13:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 17:43     ` Will Deacon
2015-11-03  1:14       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-03  1:25         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-02 17:42   ` Will Deacon
2015-11-02 18:08   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-02 18:37     ` Will Deacon
2015-11-02 19:17       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-02 19:57         ` Will Deacon
2015-11-02 20:23           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 21:56         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-03  1:57         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-03 19:40           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-04  3:57             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-04  4:43               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-04 12:54                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-02 20:36   ` David Howells
2015-11-02 20:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 21:11     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-03 17:59   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-11-03 18:23     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11  9:39     ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2015-11-11 10:34       ` Boqun Feng
2015-11-11 19:53         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-11-12 13:50         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-11 12:12       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 19:39         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-11-11 21:23           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-12  7:14           ` Boqun Feng
2015-11-12 10:28             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 15:00             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-11-12 14:40               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 14:49                 ` Boqun Feng
2015-11-12 15:02                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 21:53                     ` Will Deacon
2015-11-12 14:50                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 15:01                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 15:08                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 15:20                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 21:25                         ` Will Deacon
2015-11-12 15:18               ` Boqun Feng
2015-11-12 18:38                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-11-12 18:02                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 19:33                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-11-12 18:59                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 21:33                         ` Will Deacon
2015-11-12 23:43                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-16 13:58                             ` Will Deacon
2015-11-12 18:21             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-12 22:09               ` Will Deacon
2015-11-16 15:56               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-16 16:04                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-16 16:24                   ` Will Deacon
2015-11-16 16:44                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-16 16:46                       ` Will Deacon
2015-11-16 17:15                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-16 21:58                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-17 11:51                       ` Will Deacon
2015-11-17 21:01                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-18 11:25                           ` Will Deacon
2015-11-19 18:01                             ` Will Deacon
2015-11-20 10:09                               ` Peter Zijlstra

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