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From: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
To: Brandon Williams <bmwill@google.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, e@80x24.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/6] forking and threading
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 13:50:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170413205008.GB10084@aiede.mtv.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170413183252.4713-1-bmwill@google.com>

Brandon Williams wrote:

> From what I can see, there are now no calls in the child process (after fork
> and before exec/_exit) which are not Async-Signal-Safe.  This means that
> fork/exec in a threaded context should work without deadlock

I don't see why the former implies the latter.  Can you explain
further?

You already know my opinions about fork+threads by now.  I continue to
think this is heading in a direction of decreased maintainability that
I dread.

That's not to say that this is wasted work.  I would prefer an approach
like the following:

 1. First, make grep work without running fork() from threads.
    Jonathan Tan's approach would be one way to do this.  Another way
    would be to simply disable threads in --recurse-submodules mode.

    This would be the first thing to do because it would make tests
    reliable again, without having to wait for deeper changes.

 2. Then, teaching run_command to prepare the environment and do $PATH
    lookup before forking.  This might make it possible for run_command
    to use vfork or might not.

 3. Teaching run_command to delegate chdir to the child, using -C for
    git commands and 'cd' for shell commands, and using a shell where
    necessary where it didn't before.

 4. Switching run_command to use posix_spawn on platforms where it is
    available, which would make it possible to use in a threaded
    context on those platforms.

Thoughts?
Jonathan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-04-13 20:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-10 23:49 [PATCH 0/5] forking and threading Brandon Williams
2017-04-10 23:49 ` [PATCH 1/5] run-command: convert sane_execvp to sane_execvpe Brandon Williams
2017-04-12 19:22   ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-10 23:49 ` [PATCH 2/5] run-command: prepare argv before forking Brandon Williams
2017-04-10 23:49 ` [PATCH 3/5] run-command: allocate child_err " Brandon Williams
2017-04-10 23:49 ` [PATCH 4/5] run-command: prepare child environment " Brandon Williams
2017-04-11  0:58   ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-04-11 17:27     ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-11 17:30       ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-04-10 23:49 ` [PATCH 5/5] run-command: add note about forking and threading Brandon Williams
2017-04-11  0:26   ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-04-11  0:53     ` Eric Wong
2017-04-11 17:33       ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-04-11 17:34       ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-11 17:40         ` Eric Wong
2017-04-11  7:05 ` [PATCH 6/5] run-command: avoid potential dangers in forked child Eric Wong
2017-04-11 16:29   ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-11 16:59     ` Eric Wong
2017-04-11 17:17       ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-11 17:37 ` [PATCH 0/5] forking and threading Jonathan Nieder
2017-04-11 17:54   ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-13 18:32 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] " Brandon Williams
2017-04-13 18:32   ` [PATCH v2 1/6] t5550: use write_script to generate post-update hook Brandon Williams
2017-04-13 20:43     ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-04-13 20:59       ` Eric Wong
2017-04-13 21:35         ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-13 21:39           ` Eric Wong
2017-04-13 18:32   ` [PATCH v2 2/6] run-command: prepare command before forking Brandon Williams
2017-04-13 21:14     ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-04-13 22:41       ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-13 18:32   ` [PATCH v2 3/6] run-command: prepare child environment " Brandon Williams
2017-04-13 18:32   ` [PATCH v2 4/6] run-command: don't die in child when duping /dev/null Brandon Williams
2017-04-13 19:29     ` Eric Wong
2017-04-13 19:43       ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-13 18:32   ` [PATCH v2 5/6] run-command: eliminate calls to error handling functions in child Brandon Williams
2017-04-13 18:32   ` [PATCH v2 6/6] run-command: add note about forking and threading Brandon Williams
2017-04-13 20:50   ` Jonathan Nieder [this message]
2017-04-13 23:44     ` [PATCH v2 0/6] " Brandon Williams
2017-04-13 21:14   ` [PATCH 7/6] run-command: block signals between fork and execve Eric Wong
2017-04-13 23:37     ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-14  2:42     ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-14  5:26       ` Eric Wong
2017-04-14  5:35         ` Eric Wong
2017-04-14 16:58   ` [PATCH v3 00/10] forking and threading Brandon Williams
2017-04-14 16:58     ` [PATCH v3 01/10] t5550: use write_script to generate post-update hook Brandon Williams
2017-04-14 16:58     ` [PATCH v3 02/10] t0061: run_command executes scripts without a #! line Brandon Williams
2017-04-14 16:58     ` [PATCH v3 03/10] run-command: prepare command before forking Brandon Williams
2017-04-14 16:58     ` [PATCH v3 04/10] run-command: use the async-signal-safe execv instead of execvp Brandon Williams
2017-04-14 16:58     ` [PATCH v3 05/10] run-command: prepare child environment before forking Brandon Williams
2017-04-14 16:58     ` [PATCH v3 06/10] run-command: don't die in child when duping /dev/null Brandon Williams
2017-04-14 19:38       ` Eric Wong
2017-04-14 20:19         ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-14 16:58     ` [PATCH v3 07/10] run-command: eliminate calls to error handling functions in child Brandon Williams
2017-04-14 18:50       ` Eric Wong
2017-04-14 20:22         ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-14 16:59     ` [PATCH v3 08/10] run-command: handle dup2 and close errors " Brandon Williams
2017-04-14 16:59     ` [PATCH v3 09/10] run-command: add note about forking and threading Brandon Williams
2017-04-14 16:59     ` [PATCH v3 10/10] run-command: block signals between fork and execve Brandon Williams
2017-04-14 20:24       ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-14 21:35         ` Eric Wong
2017-04-17 22:08     ` [PATCH v4 00/10] forking and threading Brandon Williams
2017-04-17 22:08       ` [PATCH v4 01/10] t5550: use write_script to generate post-update hook Brandon Williams
2017-04-17 22:08       ` [PATCH v4 02/10] t0061: run_command executes scripts without a #! line Brandon Williams
2017-04-17 22:08       ` [PATCH v4 03/10] run-command: prepare command before forking Brandon Williams
2017-04-17 22:08       ` [PATCH v4 04/10] run-command: use the async-signal-safe execv instead of execvp Brandon Williams
2017-04-17 22:08       ` [PATCH v4 05/10] run-command: prepare child environment before forking Brandon Williams
2017-04-18  0:26         ` Eric Wong
2017-04-18 21:02           ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-17 22:08       ` [PATCH v4 06/10] run-command: don't die in child when duping /dev/null Brandon Williams
2017-04-17 22:08       ` [PATCH v4 07/10] run-command: eliminate calls to error handling functions in child Brandon Williams
2017-04-17 22:08       ` [PATCH v4 08/10] run-command: handle dup2 and close errors " Brandon Williams
2017-04-17 22:08       ` [PATCH v4 09/10] run-command: add note about forking and threading Brandon Williams
2017-04-17 22:08       ` [PATCH v4 10/10] run-command: block signals between fork and execve Brandon Williams
2017-04-18 23:17       ` [PATCH v5 00/11] forking and threading Brandon Williams
2017-04-18 23:17         ` [PATCH v5 01/11] t5550: use write_script to generate post-update hook Brandon Williams
2017-04-18 23:17         ` [PATCH v5 02/11] t0061: run_command executes scripts without a #! line Brandon Williams
2017-04-19  5:43           ` Johannes Sixt
2017-04-19  6:21             ` Johannes Sixt
2017-04-19 15:56               ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-19 18:18                 ` Johannes Sixt
2017-04-20 10:47                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-04-20 17:02                   ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-20 20:24                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-04-20 20:49                       ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-18 23:17         ` [PATCH v5 03/11] run-command: prepare command before forking Brandon Williams
2017-04-18 23:17         ` [PATCH v5 04/11] run-command: use the async-signal-safe execv instead of execvp Brandon Williams
2017-04-18 23:17         ` [PATCH v5 05/11] string-list: add string_list_remove function Brandon Williams
2017-04-18 23:31           ` Stefan Beller
2017-04-18 23:36             ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-18 23:40               ` Stefan Beller
2017-04-18 23:18         ` [PATCH v5 06/11] run-command: prepare child environment before forking Brandon Williams
2017-04-18 23:18         ` [PATCH v5 07/11] run-command: don't die in child when duping /dev/null Brandon Williams
2017-04-18 23:18         ` [PATCH v5 08/11] run-command: eliminate calls to error handling functions in child Brandon Williams
2017-04-18 23:18         ` [PATCH v5 09/11] run-command: handle dup2 and close errors " Brandon Williams
2017-04-18 23:18         ` [PATCH v5 10/11] run-command: add note about forking and threading Brandon Williams
2017-04-18 23:18         ` [PATCH v5 11/11] run-command: block signals between fork and execve Brandon Williams
2017-04-19  6:00           ` Johannes Sixt
2017-04-19  7:48             ` Eric Wong
2017-04-19 16:10               ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-19 23:13         ` [PATCH v6 00/11] forking and threading Brandon Williams
2017-04-19 23:13           ` [PATCH v6 01/11] t5550: use write_script to generate post-update hook Brandon Williams
2017-04-19 23:13           ` [PATCH v6 02/11] t0061: run_command executes scripts without a #! line Brandon Williams
2017-04-20 10:49             ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-04-20 16:58               ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-19 23:13           ` [PATCH v6 03/11] run-command: prepare command before forking Brandon Williams
2017-04-19 23:13           ` [PATCH v6 04/11] run-command: use the async-signal-safe execv instead of execvp Brandon Williams
2017-05-17  2:15             ` Junio C Hamano
2017-05-17  2:26               ` Jeff King
2017-05-17  2:28                 ` Jeff King
2017-05-17  3:41                 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-05-17 14:52                 ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-19 23:13           ` [PATCH v6 05/11] string-list: add string_list_remove function Brandon Williams
2017-04-19 23:13           ` [PATCH v6 06/11] run-command: prepare child environment before forking Brandon Williams
2017-04-19 23:13           ` [PATCH v6 07/11] run-command: don't die in child when duping /dev/null Brandon Williams
2017-04-19 23:13           ` [PATCH v6 08/11] run-command: eliminate calls to error handling functions in child Brandon Williams
2017-04-19 23:13           ` [PATCH v6 09/11] run-command: handle dup2 and close errors " Brandon Williams
2017-04-19 23:13           ` [PATCH v6 10/11] run-command: add note about forking and threading Brandon Williams
2017-04-19 23:13           ` [PATCH v6 11/11] run-command: block signals between fork and execve Brandon Williams
2017-04-24 22:37           ` [PATCH v6 00/11] forking and threading Brandon Williams
2017-04-24 23:50             ` [PATCH v6 12/11] run-command: don't try to execute directories Brandon Williams
2017-04-25  0:17               ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-04-25  1:58                 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-04-25  2:51                   ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-04-25  2:56                 ` Jeff King
2017-04-25  1:47               ` Junio C Hamano
2017-04-25  2:57               ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-04-25 17:54               ` [PATCH v7 1/2] exec_cmd: expose is_executable function Brandon Williams
2017-04-25 17:54                 ` [PATCH v7 2/2] run-command: don't try to execute directories Brandon Williams
2017-04-25 18:51                   ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-04-25 19:32                     ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-25 18:04                 ` [PATCH v7 1/2] exec_cmd: expose is_executable function Jonathan Nieder
2017-04-25 18:18                 ` Johannes Sixt
2017-04-25 18:38                   ` Brandon Williams
2017-04-25 23:46                 ` [PATCH v8 1/2] run-command: " Brandon Williams
2017-04-25 23:47                   ` [PATCH v8 2/2] run-command: restrict PATH search to executable files Brandon Williams
2017-04-25 23:50                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-04-26  1:44                     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-04-26 17:10                       ` [PATCH v9 " Brandon Williams
2017-04-27  0:33                         ` Junio C Hamano
2017-04-25 23:48                   ` [PATCH v8 1/2] run-command: expose is_executable function Jonathan Nieder

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