From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:06:33 +0200 From: Greg Kroah-Hartman To: Mason Cc: Lukas Wunner , Mathias Nyman , Felipe Balbi , linux-pci , linux-usb , Linux ARM , Bjorn Helgaas , Alan Stern Subject: Re: Possible regression between 4.9 and 4.13 Message-ID: <20170830090633.GA1208@kroah.com> References: <599D62EA.7050100@linux.intel.com> <8ac92197-907a-282b-2165-f50d1b09bd55@free.fr> <61d34811-f17c-6faf-252f-c4c81feb9e89@free.fr> <59A3D6BF.7010400@linux.intel.com> <0b089b17-00fc-5a7c-baa3-e6141029b191@free.fr> <59A56C15.2000403@linux.intel.com> <20170829235310.GA20214@wunner.de> <20170830060237.GA2782@kroah.com> <678490ce-9381-e63e-7a12-33d3eff7f894@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <678490ce-9381-e63e-7a12-33d3eff7f894@free.fr> List-ID: On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 10:55:37AM +0200, Mason wrote: > On 30/08/2017 08:02, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > > To get back to the original issue here, the hardware seems to have died, > > the driver stops talking to it, and all is good. The "regression" here > > is that we now properly can determine that the hardware is crap. > > Before 4.12, when I unplugged my USB3 Flash drive, Linux would > detect a few "Uncorrected Non-Fatal errors" via AER, but it was > still possible to plug the drive back in. > > Since 4.12, once I unplug the drive, the whole USB3 card is marked > as dead (all 4 ports), and I can no longer plug anything in (not even > the USB2 drive that didn't have any issues, IIRC). > > It seems a bit premature to "mark as dead" something that remains > functional, doesn't it? I agree, but if the device sends all ones, it's a good indication it is really dead, right? Or something is wrong with it. > Disclaimer, there are many variables in this setup, and I've only > tested a small fraction of the problem space: only one system, > only one USB3 board, only one USB3 Flash drive. Did you ever happen to narrow this down to a single git commit using 'git bisect'? I can't remember what happened in the beginning of this thread... > > So, how do you think we should proceed, delay a bit longer before saying > > the device is gone? How long is "long enough"? How many bus errors are > > we allowed to tolerate (hint, the PCI spec says none...) > > > > Maybe someone wants to get to the root problem here, why is the hardware > > suddenly reporting all 1s? > > I'm afraid I won't be able to make any progress on this front, > unless I can get my hands on a PCIe packet analyzer. Odds of that happening are pretty rare, right? I've never even seen one of those... thanks, greg k-h From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: gregkh@linuxfoundation.org (Greg Kroah-Hartman) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:06:33 +0200 Subject: Possible regression between 4.9 and 4.13 In-Reply-To: <678490ce-9381-e63e-7a12-33d3eff7f894@free.fr> References: <599D62EA.7050100@linux.intel.com> <8ac92197-907a-282b-2165-f50d1b09bd55@free.fr> <61d34811-f17c-6faf-252f-c4c81feb9e89@free.fr> <59A3D6BF.7010400@linux.intel.com> <0b089b17-00fc-5a7c-baa3-e6141029b191@free.fr> <59A56C15.2000403@linux.intel.com> <20170829235310.GA20214@wunner.de> <20170830060237.GA2782@kroah.com> <678490ce-9381-e63e-7a12-33d3eff7f894@free.fr> Message-ID: <20170830090633.GA1208@kroah.com> To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org List-Id: linux-arm-kernel.lists.infradead.org On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 10:55:37AM +0200, Mason wrote: > On 30/08/2017 08:02, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > > To get back to the original issue here, the hardware seems to have died, > > the driver stops talking to it, and all is good. The "regression" here > > is that we now properly can determine that the hardware is crap. > > Before 4.12, when I unplugged my USB3 Flash drive, Linux would > detect a few "Uncorrected Non-Fatal errors" via AER, but it was > still possible to plug the drive back in. > > Since 4.12, once I unplug the drive, the whole USB3 card is marked > as dead (all 4 ports), and I can no longer plug anything in (not even > the USB2 drive that didn't have any issues, IIRC). > > It seems a bit premature to "mark as dead" something that remains > functional, doesn't it? I agree, but if the device sends all ones, it's a good indication it is really dead, right? Or something is wrong with it. > Disclaimer, there are many variables in this setup, and I've only > tested a small fraction of the problem space: only one system, > only one USB3 board, only one USB3 Flash drive. Did you ever happen to narrow this down to a single git commit using 'git bisect'? I can't remember what happened in the beginning of this thread... > > So, how do you think we should proceed, delay a bit longer before saying > > the device is gone? How long is "long enough"? How many bus errors are > > we allowed to tolerate (hint, the PCI spec says none...) > > > > Maybe someone wants to get to the root problem here, why is the hardware > > suddenly reporting all 1s? > > I'm afraid I won't be able to make any progress on this front, > unless I can get my hands on a PCIe packet analyzer. Odds of that happening are pretty rare, right? I've never even seen one of those... thanks, greg k-h