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From: Okash Khawaja <osk@fb.com>
To: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
Cc: Jakub Kicinski <jakub.kicinski@netronome.com>,
	Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@fb.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>, Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>,
	Quentin Monnet <quentin.monnet@netronome.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	<kernel-team@fb.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 2/3] bpf: btf: add btf json print functionality
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 12:47:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180627114737.GA1580@w1t1fb> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <23968d53-2895-f0bc-a38c-5bc99e1846ab@iogearbox.net>

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 12:34:35PM +0200, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
> On 06/27/2018 12:35 AM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 15:27:09 -0700, Martin KaFai Lau wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 01:31:33PM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> [...]
> >>> Implementing both outputs in one series will help you structure your
> >>> code to best suit both of the formats up front.  
> >> hex and "formatted" are the only things missing?  As always, things
> >> can be refactored when new use case comes up.  Lets wait for
> >> Okash input.
> >>
> >> Regardless, plaintext is our current use case.  Having the current
> >> patchset in does not stop us or others from contributing other use
> >> cases (json, "bpftool map find"...etc),  and IMO it is actually
> >> the opposite.  Others may help us get there faster than us alone.
> >> We should not stop making forward progress and take this patch
> >> as hostage because "abc" and "xyz" are not done together.
> > 
> > Parity between JSON and plain text output is non negotiable.
> 
> Longish discussion and some confusion in this thread. :-) First of all
> thanks a lot for working on it, very useful! 
Thanks :)

> My $0.02 on it is that so far
> great care has been taken in bpftool to indeed have feature parity between
> JSON and plain text, so it would be highly desirable to keep continuing
> this practice if the consensus is that it indeed is feasible and makes
> sense wrt BTF data. There has been mentioned that given BTF data can be
> dynamic depending on what the user loads via bpf(2) so a potential JSON
> output may look different/break each time anyway. This however could all be
> embedded under a container object that has a fixed key like 'formatted'
> where tools like jq(1) can query into it. I think this would be fine since
> the rest of the (non-dynamic) output is still retained as-is and then
> wouldn't confuse or collide with existing users, and anyone programmatically
> parsing deeper into the BTF data under such JSON container object needs
> to have awareness of what specific data it wants to query from it; so
> there's no conflict wrt breaking anything here. Imho, both outputs would
> be very valuable.
Okay I can add "formatted" object under json output.

One thing to note here is that the fixed output will change if the map
itself changes. So someone writing a program that consumes that fixed
output will have to account for his program breaking in future, thus
breaking backward compatibility anyway as far as the developer is
concerned :)

I will go ahead with work on "formatted" object.

Thanks,
Okash

> 
> Thanks,
> Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-27 11:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-20 20:30 [PATCH bpf-next 0/3] bpf: btf: json print btf info with bpftool map dump Okash Khawaja
2018-06-20 20:30 ` [PATCH bpf-next 1/3] bpf: btf: export btf types and name by offset from lib Okash Khawaja
2018-06-20 22:40   ` Song Liu
2018-06-20 22:48     ` Okash Khawaja
2018-06-20 23:24       ` Song Liu
2018-06-20 20:30 ` [PATCH bpf-next 2/3] bpf: btf: add btf json print functionality Okash Khawaja
2018-06-20 23:14   ` Song Liu
2018-06-21 10:31     ` Okash Khawaja
2018-06-21 10:42   ` Quentin Monnet
2018-06-22 10:24     ` Okash Khawaja
2018-06-22 10:39       ` Quentin Monnet
2018-06-22 18:44         ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-06-21 21:59   ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-06-21 22:51     ` Martin KaFai Lau
2018-06-21 23:07       ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-06-21 23:58         ` Martin KaFai Lau
2018-06-22  0:25           ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-06-22  1:20             ` Martin KaFai Lau
2018-06-22 11:17               ` Okash Khawaja
2018-06-22 18:43                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-06-22 18:40               ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-06-22 20:58                 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2018-06-22 21:27                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-06-22 21:49                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-06-22 23:19                       ` Martin KaFai Lau
2018-06-22 23:40                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-06-22 23:58                           ` Martin KaFai Lau
2018-06-22 22:48                     ` Okash Khawaja
2018-06-22 22:54                     ` Martin KaFai Lau
2018-06-22 23:32                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-06-23  0:26                         ` Martin KaFai Lau
2018-06-26 16:48                           ` Okash Khawaja
2018-06-26 20:31                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-06-26 22:27                               ` Martin KaFai Lau
2018-06-26 22:35                                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-06-27 10:34                                   ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-06-27 11:47                                     ` Okash Khawaja [this message]
2018-06-27 12:56                                       ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-07-01 10:31                                         ` Okash Khawaja
2018-07-02 17:19                                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-06-20 20:30 ` [PATCH bpf-next 3/3] bpf: btf: json print map dump with btf info Okash Khawaja
2018-06-20 23:22   ` Song Liu
2018-06-21 10:05     ` Okash Khawaja
2018-06-21 10:24   ` Quentin Monnet
2018-06-21 14:26     ` Okash Khawaja

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