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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Pierre-Louis Bossart <pierre-louis.bossart@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Daniel Baluta <daniel.baluta@gmail.com>,
	andriy.shevchenko@intel.com, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, liam.r.girdwood@linux.intel.com,
	vkoul@kernel.org, sound-open-firmware@alsa-project.org,
	Alan Cox <alan@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Sound-open-firmware] [PATCH v4 01/14] ASoC: SOF: Add Sound Open Firmware driver core
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 18:47:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190221184748.GF5970@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d92700ef-4975-fd8b-c93b-b699f65781b1@linux.intel.com>


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On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 03:32:54PM -0600, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:

> The only reason for extending the struct snd_soc_pcm_runtime was to enable
> the use of a 'context' in PCM operations, see e.g in patch 5/14 the repeated
> pattern to get an 'SOF PCM' context:

> struct snd_sof_pcm *spcm = rtd->private;

The reason you're having trouble with this is that the DSP isn't really
properly visible in the system, it's pushed in on the side with DPCM
coexisting with multiple other drivers so as far as I can see it's hard
for it to fit in anywhere in Intel systems.

> So ironically in ASoC we don't have a means to use a private_data field for
> the substreams since it's used for a 'standard' mechanism.

This is why there's things like snd_soc_dai_get_dma_data() and
snd_soc_component_get_drvdata() - if you're a fully visible component in
the system there's ways to get to your ASoC specific driver data.  For
something like SoF that'd mean cooperating with the drivers for the
devices with the SoF using DSPs in some way.

> The extension suggested in this patch 1/14 was really trying to come back to
> a practical means to store a context in a substream, and make the PCM
> operations manageable. I totally agree that extending the PCM runtime might
> not recommended or safe, but at this point I don't have any slack in the
> existing data structures to add a context in a substream.

> Does this help clarify the problem statement?

It is fairly clear what driver data is useful for.  The issue is that
instead of getting to it through the relevant hardware component you're
adding something directly in the core data structure, whatever way we
look at it that's going to be awkward.  Consider for example what
happens if someone integrates a system with a SoF DSP in the SoC and
another SoF DSP in the CODEC - there will be two separate copies of SoF
on a single DAI so a SoF specific value directly in the runtime isn't
going to work.

If there were a component for the DSP (or the DSP was fully part of some
other existing component) then it should be possible to arrange to get
to the DSP data using that but with it just floating there unattached to
anything it's harder.

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-21 18:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-13 22:07 [PATCH v4 00/14] ASoC: Sound Open Firmware (SOF) core Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 01/14] ASoC: SOF: Add Sound Open Firmware driver core Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14  9:25   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 14:53     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-19 15:38       ` Mark Brown
2019-02-20 14:35         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-20 16:26           ` Mark Brown
2019-02-20 21:32             ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21 18:47               ` Mark Brown [this message]
2019-02-22  0:08                 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 02/14] ASoC: SOF: Add Sound Open Firmware KControl support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14  9:30   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 14:35     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 15:21       ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 03/14] ASoC: SOF: Add driver debug support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 04/14] ASoC: SOF: Add support for IPC IO between DSP and Host Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 11:52   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 14:56     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-20 17:31       ` Mark Brown
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 05/14] ASoC: SOF: Add PCM operations support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 11:20   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 15:07     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 20:42       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-18 15:51   ` Daniel Baluta
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 06/14] ASoC: SOF: Add support for loading topologies Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 07/14] ASoC: SOF: Add DSP firmware logger support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 13:19   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 15:13     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-20 17:44   ` Mark Brown
2019-02-20 20:18     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21 12:29       ` Andy Shevchenko
2019-02-21 14:57         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21 15:04         ` Mark Brown
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 08/14] ASoC: SOF: Add DSP HW abstraction operations Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 13:21   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 15:22     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 13:45   ` Andy Shevchenko
2019-02-14 15:21     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 09/14] ASoC: SOF: Add firmware loader support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 10/14] ASoC: SOF: Add userspace ABI support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 11/14] ASoC: SOF: Add PM support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 12/14] ASoC: SOF: Add Nocodec machine driver support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 13/14] ASoC: SOF: Add xtensa support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 14/14] ASoC: SOF: Add utils Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 13:33   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 13:37     ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-18 20:03 ` [v4,00/14] ASoC: Sound Open Firmware (SOF) core Xiang Xiao
2019-02-19  9:49   ` [alsa-devel] " Srinivas Kandagatla
2019-02-19  9:49     ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2019-02-19 15:09     ` [alsa-devel] " xiang xiao
2019-02-19 15:09       ` xiang xiao
2019-02-19 15:55       ` [alsa-devel] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-19 15:55         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21  4:39         ` [alsa-devel] " Vinod Koul
2019-02-21  4:39           ` Vinod Koul
2019-02-21 10:42           ` [alsa-devel] " Arnaud Pouliquen
2019-02-21 10:42             ` Arnaud Pouliquen
2019-02-21 11:28             ` [alsa-devel] " Mark Brown
2019-02-21 11:28               ` Mark Brown
2019-02-21 23:49               ` [alsa-devel] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21 23:49                 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21 15:27           ` [alsa-devel] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21 15:27             ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-22  8:32             ` [alsa-devel] " xiang xiao
2019-02-22  8:32               ` xiang xiao
2019-02-22 11:15               ` [alsa-devel] " Keyon Jie
2019-02-22 11:15                 ` Keyon Jie
2019-02-22 18:21                 ` [alsa-devel] " xiang xiao
2019-02-22 18:21                   ` xiang xiao
2019-02-25  3:05                   ` [Sound-open-firmware] [alsa-devel] [v4, 00/14] " Keyon Jie
2019-02-25  3:05                     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Keyon Jie
2019-02-22 14:48               ` [Sound-open-firmware] [alsa-devel] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-22 14:48                 ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-22 18:41                 ` [Sound-open-firmware] [alsa-devel] " xiang xiao
2019-02-22 18:41                   ` [Sound-open-firmware] " xiang xiao
2019-02-22 21:52                   ` [alsa-devel] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-22 21:52                     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-23 16:42                     ` [alsa-devel] " xiang xiao
2019-02-23 16:42                       ` xiang xiao
2019-02-25 10:16                 ` [Sound-open-firmware] [alsa-devel] " Srinivas Kandagatla
2019-02-25 10:16                   ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Srinivas Kandagatla

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