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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Boaz Harrosh <openosd@gmail.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@gmail.com>,
	Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>,
	"Darrick J . Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-xfs <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: pagecache locking
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 15:31:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190708133114.GC20507@quack2.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190705233157.GD7689@dread.disaster.area>

On Sat 06-07-19 09:31:57, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 03:04:45AM +0300, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
> > On 20/06/2019 01:37, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > <>
> > > 
> > > I'd prefer it doesn't get lifted to the VFS because I'm planning on
> > > getting rid of it in XFS with range locks. i.e. the XFS_MMAPLOCK is
> > > likely to go away in the near term because a range lock can be
> > > taken on either side of the mmap_sem in the page fault path.
> > > 
> > <>
> > Sir Dave
> > 
> > Sorry if this was answered before. I am please very curious. In the zufs
> > project I have an equivalent rw_MMAPLOCK that I _read_lock on page_faults.
> > (Read & writes all take read-locks ...)
> > The only reason I have it is because of lockdep actually.
> > 
> > Specifically for those xfstests that mmap a buffer then direct_IO in/out
> > of that buffer from/to another file in the same FS or the same file.
> > (For lockdep its the same case).
> 
> Which can deadlock if the same inode rwsem is taken on both sides of
> the mmap_sem, as lockdep tells you...
> 
> > I would be perfectly happy to recursively _read_lock both from the top
> > of the page_fault at the DIO path, and under in the page_fault. I'm
> > _read_locking after all. But lockdep is hard to convince. So I stole the
> > xfs idea of having an rw_MMAPLOCK. And grab yet another _write_lock at
> > truncate/punch/clone time when all mapping traversal needs to stop for
> > the destructive change to take place. (Allocations are done another way
> > and are race safe with traversal)
> > 
> > How do you intend to address this problem with range-locks? ie recursively
> > taking the same "lock"? because if not for the recursive-ity and lockdep I would
> > not need the extra lock-object per inode.
> 
> As long as the IO ranges to the same file *don't overlap*, it should
> be perfectly safe to take separate range locks (in read or write
> mode) on either side of the mmap_sem as non-overlapping range locks
> can be nested and will not self-deadlock.

I'd be really careful with nesting range locks. You can have nasty
situations like:

Thread 1		Thread 2
read_lock(0,1000)	
			write_lock(500,1500) -> blocks due to read lock
read_lock(1001,1500) -> blocks due to write lock (or you have to break
  fairness and then deal with starvation issues).

So once you allow nesting of range locks, you have to very carefully define
what is and what is not allowed. That's why in my range lock implementation
ages back I've decided to treat range lock as a rwsem for deadlock
verification purposes.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-07-08 13:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-10 19:14 bcachefs status update (it's done cooking; let's get this sucker merged) Kent Overstreet
2019-06-10 19:14 ` [PATCH 01/12] Compiler Attributes: add __flatten Kent Overstreet
2019-06-12 17:16   ` Greg KH
2019-06-10 19:14 ` [PATCH 02/12] locking: SIX locks (shared/intent/exclusive) Kent Overstreet
2019-06-10 19:14 ` [PATCH 03/12] mm: pagecache add lock Kent Overstreet
2019-06-10 19:14 ` [PATCH 04/12] mm: export find_get_pages() Kent Overstreet
2019-06-10 19:14 ` [PATCH 05/12] fs: insert_inode_locked2() Kent Overstreet
2019-06-10 19:14 ` [PATCH 06/12] fs: factor out d_mark_tmpfile() Kent Overstreet
2019-06-10 19:14 ` [PATCH 07/12] Propagate gfp_t when allocating pte entries from __vmalloc Kent Overstreet
2019-06-10 19:14 ` [PATCH 08/12] block: Add some exports for bcachefs Kent Overstreet
2019-06-10 19:14 ` [PATCH 09/12] bcache: optimize continue_at_nobarrier() Kent Overstreet
2019-06-10 19:14 ` [PATCH 10/12] bcache: move closures to lib/ Kent Overstreet
2019-06-11 10:25   ` Coly Li
2019-06-13  7:28   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-13 11:04     ` Kent Overstreet
2019-06-10 19:14 ` [PATCH 11/12] closures: closure_wait_event() Kent Overstreet
2019-06-11 10:25   ` Coly Li
2019-06-12 17:17   ` Greg KH
2019-06-10 19:14 ` [PATCH 12/12] closures: fix a race on wakeup from closure_sync Kent Overstreet
2019-07-16 10:47   ` Coly Li
2019-07-18  7:46     ` Coly Li
2019-07-22 17:22       ` Kent Overstreet
2020-11-24 23:07         ` Marc Smith
2020-11-25 18:10           ` Marc Smith
2019-06-10 20:46 ` bcachefs status update (it's done cooking; let's get this sucker merged) Linus Torvalds
2019-06-11  1:17   ` Kent Overstreet
2019-06-11  4:33     ` Dave Chinner
2019-06-12 16:21       ` Kent Overstreet
2019-06-12 23:02         ` Dave Chinner
2019-06-13 18:36           ` pagecache locking (was: bcachefs status update) merged) Kent Overstreet
2019-06-13 21:13             ` Andreas Dilger
2019-06-13 21:21               ` Kent Overstreet
2019-06-14  0:35                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-06-13 23:55             ` Dave Chinner
2019-06-14  2:30               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-14  7:30                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-06-15  1:15                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-14  3:08               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-15  4:01                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-17 22:47                   ` Dave Chinner
2019-06-17 23:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-18  4:21                       ` Amir Goldstein
2019-06-19 10:38                         ` Jan Kara
2019-06-19 22:37                           ` Dave Chinner
2019-07-03  0:04                             ` pagecache locking Boaz Harrosh
     [not found]                               ` <DM6PR19MB250857CB8A3A1C8279D6F2F3C5FB0@DM6PR19MB2508.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
2019-07-03  1:25                                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2019-07-05 23:31                               ` Dave Chinner
2019-07-07 15:05                                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2019-07-07 23:55                                   ` Dave Chinner
2019-07-08 13:31                                 ` Jan Kara [this message]
2019-07-09 23:47                                   ` Dave Chinner
2019-07-10  8:41                                     ` Jan Kara
2019-06-14 17:08               ` pagecache locking (was: bcachefs status update) merged) Kent Overstreet
2019-06-19  8:21           ` bcachefs status update (it's done cooking; let's get this sucker merged) Jan Kara
2019-07-03  1:04             ` [PATCH] mm: Support madvise_willneed override by Filesystems Boaz Harrosh
2019-07-03 17:21               ` Jan Kara
2019-07-03 18:03                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2019-06-11  4:55     ` bcachefs status update (it's done cooking; let's get this sucker merged) Linus Torvalds
2019-06-11 14:26       ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-06-11  4:10   ` Dave Chinner
2019-06-11  4:39     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-11  7:10       ` Dave Chinner
2019-06-12  2:07         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-07-03  5:59 ` Stefan K
2020-06-10 11:02 ` Stefan K
2020-06-10 11:32   ` Kent Overstreet

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