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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christophe de Dinechin <dinechin@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Kevin Kevin <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/21] KVM: Dirty ring interface
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:10:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200110151053.GB53397@xz-x1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200109172718-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 05:28:36PM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 02:39:49PM -0500, Peter Xu wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 02:08:52PM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 12:08:49PM -0500, Peter Xu wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 11:40:23AM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > [...]
> > > > 
> > > > > > > I know it's mostly relevant for huge VMs, but OTOH these
> > > > > > > probably use huge pages.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yes huge VMs could benefit more, especially if the dirty rate is not
> > > > > > that high, I believe.  Though, could you elaborate on why huge pages
> > > > > > are special here?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > 
> > > > > With hugetlbfs there are less bits to test: e.g. with 2M pages a single
> > > > > bit set marks 512 pages as dirty.  We do not take advantage of this
> > > > > but it looks like a rather obvious optimization.
> > > > 
> > > > Right, but isn't that the trade-off between granularity of dirty
> > > > tracking and how easy it is to collect the dirty bits?  Say, it'll be
> > > > merely impossible to migrate 1G-huge-page-backed guests if we track
> > > > dirty bits using huge page granularity, since each touch of guest
> > > > memory will cause another 1G memory to be transferred even if most of
> > > > the content is the same.  2M can be somewhere in the middle, but still
> > > > the same write amplify issue exists.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > OK I see I'm unclear.
> > > 
> > > IIUC at the moment KVM never uses huge pages if any part of the huge page is
> > > tracked.
> > 
> > To be more precise - I think it's per-memslot.  Say, if the memslot is
> > dirty tracked, then no huge page on the host on that memslot (even if
> > guest used huge page over that).
> 
> Yea ... so does it make sense to make this implementation detail
> leak through UAPI?

I think that's not a leak of internal implementation detail, we just
define the interface as that the address for each kvm_dirty_gfn is
always host page aligned (by default it means no huge page) and point
to a single host page, that's all.  Host page size is always there for
userspace after all so imho it's fine.  Thanks,

-- 
Peter Xu


  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-10 15:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-09 14:57 [PATCH v3 00/21] KVM: Dirty ring interface Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 01/21] vfio: introduce vfio_iova_rw to read/write a range of IOVAs Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 02/21] drm/i915/gvt: subsitute kvm_read/write_guest with vfio_iova_rw Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 03/21] KVM: Remove kvm_read_guest_atomic() Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 04/21] KVM: Add build-time error check on kvm_run size Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 05/21] KVM: X86: Change parameter for fast_page_fault tracepoint Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 06/21] KVM: X86: Don't take srcu lock in init_rmode_identity_map() Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 07/21] KVM: Cache as_id in kvm_memory_slot Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 08/21] KVM: X86: Drop x86_set_memory_region() Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 09/21] KVM: X86: Don't track dirty for KVM_SET_[TSS_ADDR|IDENTITY_MAP_ADDR] Peter Xu
2020-01-19  9:01   ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-20  6:45     ` Peter Xu
2020-01-21 15:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-01-21 16:14     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-28  5:50     ` Peter Xu
2020-01-28 18:24       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-01-31 15:08         ` Peter Xu
2020-01-31 19:33           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-01-31 20:28             ` Peter Xu
2020-01-31 20:36               ` Sean Christopherson
2020-01-31 20:55                 ` Peter Xu
2020-01-31 21:29                   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-01-31 22:16                     ` Peter Xu
2020-01-31 22:20                       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 10/21] KVM: Pass in kvm pointer into mark_page_dirty_in_slot() Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 11/21] KVM: Move running VCPU from ARM to common code Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 12/21] KVM: X86: Implement ring-based dirty memory tracking Peter Xu
2020-01-09 16:29   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 16:56     ` Alex Williamson
2020-01-09 19:21       ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 19:36         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 19:15     ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 19:35       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 20:19         ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 22:18           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-10 15:29             ` Peter Xu
2020-01-12  6:24               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-14 20:01         ` Peter Xu
2020-01-15  6:50           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-15 15:20             ` Peter Xu
2020-01-19  9:09       ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-19 10:12         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-20  7:29           ` Peter Xu
2020-01-20  7:47             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-21  8:29               ` Peter Xu
2020-01-21 10:25                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-21 10:24             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-11  4:49   ` kbuild test robot
2020-01-11  4:49     ` kbuild test robot
2020-01-11 23:19   ` kbuild test robot
2020-01-11 23:19     ` kbuild test robot
2020-01-15  6:47   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-15 15:27     ` Peter Xu
2020-01-16  8:38   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-16 16:27     ` Peter Xu
2020-01-17  9:50       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-20  6:48         ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 13/21] KVM: Make dirty ring exclusive to dirty bitmap log Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 14/21] KVM: Don't allocate dirty bitmap if dirty ring is enabled Peter Xu
2020-01-09 16:41   ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 15/21] KVM: selftests: Always clear dirty bitmap after iteration Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 16/21] KVM: selftests: Sync uapi/linux/kvm.h to tools/ Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 17/21] KVM: selftests: Use a single binary for dirty/clear log test Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 18/21] KVM: selftests: Introduce after_vcpu_run hook for dirty " Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 19/21] KVM: selftests: Add dirty ring buffer test Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 20/21] KVM: selftests: Let dirty_log_test async for dirty ring test Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 21/21] KVM: selftests: Add "-c" parameter to dirty log test Peter Xu
2020-01-09 15:59 ` [PATCH v3 00/21] KVM: Dirty ring interface Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 16:17   ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 16:40     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 17:08       ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 19:08         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 19:39           ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 20:42             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-09 22:28             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-10 15:10               ` Peter Xu [this message]
2020-01-09 16:47 ` Alex Williamson
2020-01-09 17:58   ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 19:13     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 19:23       ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 19:37         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 20:51       ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-09 22:21         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-19  9:11 ` Paolo Bonzini

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