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From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	parri.andrea@gmail.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	boqun.feng@gmail.com, npiggin@gmail.com, dhowells@redhat.com,
	j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk, luc.maranget@inria.fr, akiyks@gmail.com,
	dlustig@nvidia.com, joel@joelfernandes.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Litmus test for question from Al Viro
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 09:20:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201005082002.GA23216@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201005023846.GA359428@rowland.harvard.edu>

On Sun, Oct 04, 2020 at 10:38:46PM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 04, 2020 at 04:31:46PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > Nice simple example!  How about like this?
> > 
> > 							Thanx, Paul
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > commit c964f404eabe4d8ce294e59dda713d8c19d340cf
> > Author: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
> > Date:   Sun Oct 4 16:27:03 2020 -0700
> > 
> >     manual/kernel: Add a litmus test with a hidden dependency
> >     
> >     This commit adds a litmus test that has a data dependency that can be
> >     hidden by control flow.  In this test, both the taken and the not-taken
> >     branches of an "if" statement must be accounted for in order to properly
> >     analyze the litmus test.  But herd7 looks only at individual executions
> >     in isolation, so fails to see the dependency.
> >     
> >     Signed-off-by: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
> >     Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>
> > 
> > diff --git a/manual/kernel/crypto-control-data.litmus b/manual/kernel/crypto-control-data.litmus
> > new file mode 100644
> > index 0000000..6baecf9
> > --- /dev/null
> > +++ b/manual/kernel/crypto-control-data.litmus
> > @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@
> > +C crypto-control-data
> > +(*
> > + * LB plus crypto-control-data plus data
> > + *
> > + * Result: Sometimes
> > + *
> > + * This is an example of OOTA and we would like it to be forbidden.
> > + * The WRITE_ONCE in P0 is both data-dependent and (at the hardware level)
> > + * control-dependent on the preceding READ_ONCE.  But the dependencies are
> > + * hidden by the form of the conditional control construct, hence the 
> > + * name "crypto-control-data".  The memory model doesn't recognize them.
> > + *)
> > +
> > +{}
> > +
> > +P0(int *x, int *y)
> > +{
> > +	int r1;
> > +
> > +	r1 = 1;
> > +	if (READ_ONCE(*x) == 0)
> > +		r1 = 0;
> > +	WRITE_ONCE(*y, r1);
> > +}
> > +
> > +P1(int *x, int *y)
> > +{
> > +	WRITE_ONCE(*x, READ_ONCE(*y));
> > +}
> > +
> > +exists (0:r1=1)
> 
> Considering the bug in herd7 pointed out by Akira, we should rewrite P1 as:
> 
> P1(int *x, int *y)
> {
> 	int r2;
> 
> 	r = READ_ONCE(*y);

(r2?)

> 	WRITE_ONCE(*x, r2);
> }
> 
> Other than that, this is fine.

But yes, module the typo, I agree that this rewrite is much better than the
proposal above. The definition of control dependencies on arm64 (per the Arm
ARM [1]) isn't entirely clear that it provides order if the WRITE is
executed on both paths of the branch, and I believe there are ongoing
efforts to try to tighten that up. I'd rather keep _that_ topic separate
from the "bug in herd" topic to avoid extra confusion.

Will

[1] https://developer.arm.com/documentation/ddi0487/fc/

  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-05  8:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-01  4:51 Litmus test for question from Al Viro Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-01 16:15 ` Alan Stern
2020-10-01 16:36   ` Al Viro
2020-10-01 18:39     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-01 19:29       ` Al Viro
2020-10-01 21:30   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-03  2:01     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-03 13:22     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-03 15:16       ` Akira Yokosawa
2020-10-03 17:13         ` Bug in herd7 [Was: Re: Litmus test for question from Al Viro] Alan Stern
2020-10-03 22:50           ` Akira Yokosawa
2020-10-04  1:40           ` [PATCH] tools: memory-model: Document that the LKMM can easily miss control dependencies Alan Stern
2020-10-04 21:07             ` joel
2020-10-04 23:12               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 15:15           ` Bug in herd7 [Was: Re: Litmus test for question from Al Viro] Luc Maranget
2020-10-05 15:53             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 16:52               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 18:19                 ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 19:18                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 19:48                     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-06 16:39                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-06 17:05                         ` Alan Stern
2020-10-07 17:50                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-07 19:40                             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-07 22:38                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-08  2:25                                 ` Alan Stern
2020-10-08  2:50                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-08 14:01                                     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-08 18:32                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 15:54             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-04 23:31       ` Litmus test for question from Al Viro Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05  2:38         ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05  8:20           ` Will Deacon [this message]
2020-10-05  9:12             ` Will Deacon
2020-10-05 14:01               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 14:23               ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 15:13                 ` Will Deacon
2020-10-05 15:16                   ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 15:35                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-05 15:49                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 14:16             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 14:03           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 14:24             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 14:44             ` joel
2020-10-05 15:55               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05  8:36         ` David Laight
2020-10-05 13:59           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-03 16:08     ` joel
2020-10-03 16:11       ` joel
2020-10-04 23:13         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-03  2:35   ` Jon Masters
2020-10-04 23:32     ` Paul E. McKenney

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