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From: Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: "Tom Lendacky" <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	"Daniel P . Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Michael S . Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Connor Kuehl" <ckuehl@redhat.com>,
	"Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>,
	"James Bottomley" <jejb@linux.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	"Dov Murik" <dovmurik@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Brijesh Singh" <brijesh.singh@amd.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>,
	"David Gibson" <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 12/12] i386/sev: update query-sev QAPI format to handle SEV-SNP
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:13:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210903151316.zveiegbo42o2gttq@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tuj4qt71.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>

On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 04:14:10PM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com> writes:
> 
> > Most of the current 'query-sev' command is relevant to both legacy
> > SEV/SEV-ES guests and SEV-SNP guests, with 2 exceptions:
> >
> >   - 'policy' is a 64-bit field for SEV-SNP, not 32-bit, and
> >     the meaning of the bit positions has changed
> >   - 'handle' is not relevant to SEV-SNP
> >
> > To address this, this patch adds a new 'sev-type' field that can be
> > used as a discriminator to select between SEV and SEV-SNP-specific
> > fields/formats without breaking compatibility for existing management
> > tools (so long as management tools that add support for launching
> > SEV-SNP guest update their handling of query-sev appropriately).
> 
> Technically a compatibility break: query-sev can now return an object
> that whose member @policy has different meaning, and also lacks @handle.
> 
> Matrix:
> 
>                             Old mgmt app    New mgmt app
>     Old QEMU, SEV/SEV-ES       good            good(1)
>     New QEMU, SEV/SEV-ES       good(2)         good
>     New QEMU, SEV-SNP           bad(3)         good
> 
> Notes:
> 
> (1) As long as the management application can cope with absent member
> @sev-type.
> 
> (2) As long as the management application ignores unknown member
> @sev-type.
> 
> (3) Management application may choke on missing member @handle, or
> worse, misinterpret member @policy.  Can only happen when something
> other than the management application created the SEV-SNP guest (or the
> user somehow made the management application create one even though it
> doesn't know how, say with CLI option passthrough, but that's always
> fragile, and I wouldn't worry about it here).
> 
> I think (1) and (2) are reasonable.  (3) is an issue for management
> applications that support attaching to existing guests.  Thoughts?

Hmm... yah I hadn't considering 'old mgmt' trying to interact with a SNP
guest started through some other means.

Don't really see an alternative other than introducing a new
'query-sev-snp', but that would still leave 'old mgmt' broken, since
it might still call do weird stuff like try to interpret the SNP policy
as an SEV/SEV-ES and end up with some very unexpected results. So if I
did go this route, I would need to have QMP begin returning an error if
query-sev is run against an SNP guest. But currently for non-SEV guests
it already does:

  error_setg(errp, "SEV feature is not available")

so 'old mgmt' should be able to handle the error just fine.

Would that approach be reasonable?

  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-03 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-26 22:26 [RFC PATCH v2 00/12] Add AMD Secure Nested Paging (SEV-SNP) support Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/12] i386/sev: introduce "sev-common" type to encapsulate common SEV state Michael Roth
2021-09-01 14:18   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-03 15:11     ` Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/12] linux-header: add the SNP specific command Michael Roth
2021-09-03 20:36   ` Dov Murik
2021-09-03 20:36     ` Dov Murik
2021-09-07 14:27     ` Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/12] i386/sev: introduce 'sev-snp-guest' object Michael Roth
2021-09-01 14:29   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-03 15:15     ` Michael Roth
2021-09-03 21:12   ` Dov Murik
2021-09-03 21:12     ` Dov Murik
2021-09-07 14:20     ` Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/12] i386/sev: initialize SNP context Michael Roth
2021-09-05  7:07   ` Dov Murik
2021-09-05  7:07     ` Dov Murik
2021-09-05 13:58     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-05 17:09       ` Dov Murik
2021-09-05 17:09         ` Dov Murik
2021-09-05  9:19   ` Dov Murik
2021-09-05  9:19     ` Dov Murik
2021-09-05 14:05     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-05 17:03       ` Dov Murik
2021-09-05 17:03         ` Dov Murik
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/12] i386/sev: add the SNP launch start context Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/12] i386/sev: add support to encrypt BIOS when SEV-SNP is enabled Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/12] i386/sev: populate secrets and cpuid page and finalize the SNP launch Michael Roth
2021-09-03 20:24   ` Dov Murik
2021-09-03 20:24     ` Dov Murik
2021-09-07 16:18     ` Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/12] target/i386: set SEV-SNP CPUID bit when SNP enabled Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/12] target/i386: allow versioned CPUs to specify new cache_info Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/12] target/i386: add new EPYC CPU versions with updated cache_info Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/12] i386/sev: sev-snp: add support for CPUID validation Michael Roth
2021-09-05 10:02   ` Dov Murik
2021-09-05 10:02     ` Dov Murik
2021-09-07 16:50     ` Michael Roth
2021-09-07 17:44       ` Dov Murik
2021-09-07 17:44         ` Dov Murik
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/12] i386/sev: update query-sev QAPI format to handle SEV-SNP Michael Roth
2021-09-01 14:14   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-03 15:13     ` Michael Roth [this message]
2021-09-03 15:30       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-03 15:30         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-03 15:43         ` Michael Roth
2021-09-03 15:43           ` Michael Roth via
2021-09-03 15:58           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-03 15:58             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-03 16:01     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-03 16:01       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-04  5:41       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-07 11:52       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-09-07 11:52         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-09-07 14:33         ` Michael Roth
2021-09-07 14:33           ` Michael Roth via
2021-09-03 15:27   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-03 15:27     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-11-16  9:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/12] Add AMD Secure Nested Paging (SEV-SNP) support Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-11-16  9:23   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-11-16 11:54   ` Brijesh Singh

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