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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, joao@overdrivepizza.com, hjl.tools@gmail.com,
	jpoimboe@redhat.com, andrew.cooper3@citrix.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ndesaulniers@google.com,
	samitolvanen@google.com, mark.rutland@arm.com,
	alyssa.milburn@intel.com, mbenes@suse.cz, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	mhiramat@kernel.org, alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com,
	Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	llvm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/39] kbuild: Fix clang build
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 16:11:19 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202202241543.B1B6C77C@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220224151322.072632223@infradead.org>

nit: Subject maybe could be something more specific like:
"kbuild: Detect and apply clang version suffix to defaults"

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 03:51:39PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> Debian (and derived) distros ship their compilers as -$ver suffixed
> binaries. For gcc it is sufficent to use:
> 
>  $ make CC=gcc-12
> 
> However, clang builds (esp. clang-lto) need a whole array of tools to be
> exactly right, leading to unweildy stuff like:

Yeah, I have had this problem with gcc versions too (when trying to
select older compilers when cross compiling).

> [...]
> which is, quite franktly, totally insane and unusable. Instead make
> the CC variable DTRT, enabling one such as myself to use:
> 
>  $ make CC=clang-13

This form is intended to mix clang and binutils, as there is a long tail
of (usually architecture-specific) issues with ld.lld and Clang's
assembler. It's only relatively recently that clang + ld.lld works
happily on x86_64. Growing a way to split that logic by architecture
might be interesting, but also confusing...

> This also lets one quickly test different clang versions.
> Additionally, also support path based LLVM suites like:
> 
>  $ make CC=/opt/llvm/bin/clang
> 
> This changes the default to LLVM=1 when CC is clang, mixing toolchains
> is still possible by explicitly adding LLVM=0.

I do like the path idea -- this is much cleaner in Clang's case than the
gcc/binutils mixture where a versioned binutils might not even exist in
a given environment. I've been fighting versioned cross compilers with
gcc and ld.bfd. It's almost worse. ;)

> [...]
> --- a/Makefile
> +++ b/Makefile
> @@ -423,9 +423,29 @@ HOST_LFS_CFLAGS := $(shell getconf LFS_C
>  HOST_LFS_LDFLAGS := $(shell getconf LFS_LDFLAGS 2>/dev/null)
>  HOST_LFS_LIBS := $(shell getconf LFS_LIBS 2>/dev/null)
>  
> -ifneq ($(LLVM),)
> -HOSTCC	= clang
> -HOSTCXX	= clang++
> +# powerpc and s390 don't yet work with LLVM as a whole

Er, this, uh, doesn't really capture the matrix. ;) See
https://clangbuiltlinux.github.io/

> +ifeq ($(ARCH),powerpc)
> +LLVM = 0
> +endif
> +ifeq ($(ARCH),s390)
> +LLVM = 0
> +endif
> +
> +# otherwise, if CC=clang, default to using LLVM to enable LTO

I find this comment confusing: using LLVM=1 lets LTO be possible,
strictly speaking, it doesn't enable it.

> +CC_BASE := $(shell echo $(CC) | sed 's/.*\///')

I would expect $(shell basename $(CC)) (or similarly "dirname") for
these sorts of path manipulations, but I'll bet there's some Makefile
string syntax to do this too, to avoid $(shell) entirely...

> +CC_NAME := $(shell echo $(CC_BASE) | cut -b "1-5")

O_o  cut -d- -f1

> +ifeq ($(shell test "$(CC_NAME)" = "clang"; echo $$?),0)
> +LLVM ?= 1
> +LLVM_PFX := $(shell echo $(CC) | sed 's/\(.*\/\)\?.*/\1/')

dirname

> +LLVM_SFX := $(shell echo $(CC_BASE) | cut -b "6-")

cut -d- -f2-

> +endif

This versioned suffix logic I'm fine with, though I'd prefer we gain
this for both Clang and GCC, as I've needed it there too, specifically
with the handling of CROSS_COMPILE:

$ make CROSS_COMPILE=/path/to/abi- CC=/path/to/abi-gcc-10 LD=/path/to/abi-ld-binutilsversion

Anyway, I guess that could be a separate patch.

> +# if not set by now, do not use LLVM
> +LLVM ?= 0

I think, however, the LLVM state needs to stay default=0. The "how to
build with Clang" already details the "how" on this:
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/kbuild/llvm.html

But I do agree: extracting the version suffix would make things much
easier.

Regardless, even if LLVM=1 is made the default, I think that should be
separate from the path and suffix logic.

Also, please CC the "CLANG/LLVM BUILD SUPPORT" maintainers in the
future:
M:      Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>
M:      Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
L:      llvm@lists.linux.dev
S:      Supported
W:      https://clangbuiltlinux.github.io/
B:      https://github.com/ClangBuiltLinux/linux/issues
C:      irc://irc.libera.chat/clangbuiltlinux
F:      Documentation/kbuild/llvm.rst
F:      include/linux/compiler-clang.h
F:      scripts/Makefile.clang
F:      scripts/clang-tools/
K:      \b(?i:clang|llvm)\b

-- 
Kees Cook

  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-25  0:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 183+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-24 14:51 [PATCH v2 00/39] x86: Kernel IBT Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 01/39] kbuild: Fix clang build Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25  0:11   ` Kees Cook [this message]
2022-03-01 21:16   ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-03-02  0:47     ` Kees Cook
2022-03-02  0:53       ` Fangrui Song
2022-03-02 16:37     ` Nathan Chancellor
2022-03-02 18:40       ` Kees Cook
2022-03-02 19:18       ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-03-02 21:15         ` Nathan Chancellor
2022-03-02 22:07           ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-03-02 23:00           ` Kees Cook
2022-03-02 23:10           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 02/39] static_call: Avoid building empty .static_call_sites Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 03/39] x86/module: Fix the paravirt vs alternative order Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-01 14:37   ` Miroslav Benes
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 04/39] objtool: Add --dry-run Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25  0:27   ` Kees Cook
2022-03-01 14:37   ` Miroslav Benes
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 05/39] x86: Base IBT bits Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25  0:35   ` Kees Cook
2022-02-25  0:46     ` Nathan Chancellor
2022-02-25 22:08       ` Nathan Chancellor
2022-02-26  0:29         ` Joao Moreira
2022-02-26  4:58           ` Kees Cook
2022-02-26  4:59             ` Fāng-ruì Sòng
2022-02-26  5:04               ` Kees Cook
2022-02-25 13:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 06/39] x86/ibt: Add ANNOTATE_NOENDBR Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25  0:36   ` Kees Cook
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 07/39] x86/entry: Sprinkle ENDBR dust Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 22:37   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-25  0:42   ` Kees Cook
2022-02-25  9:22     ` Andrew Cooper
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 08/39] x86/linkage: Add ENDBR to SYM_FUNC_START*() Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25  0:45   ` Kees Cook
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 09/39] x86/ibt,paravirt: Sprinkle ENDBR Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25  0:47   ` Kees Cook
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 10/39] x86/ibt,crypto: Add ENDBR for the jump-table entries Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 22:41   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-25  0:50   ` Kees Cook
2022-02-25 10:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 11/39] x86/ibt,kvm: Add ENDBR to fastops Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25  0:54   ` Kees Cook
2022-02-25 10:24     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25 13:09       ` David Laight
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 12/39] x86/ibt,ftrace: Search for __fentry__ location Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 15:55   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-02-24 15:58     ` Steven Rostedt
2022-02-24 15:59       ` Steven Rostedt
2022-02-24 16:01       ` Steven Rostedt
2022-02-24 22:46         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-24 22:51           ` Steven Rostedt
2022-02-25  1:34       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-02-25  2:19         ` Steven Rostedt
2022-02-25 10:20           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-02-25 13:36             ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-01 18:57               ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-03-01 19:20                 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-02 13:20                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-02 16:01                     ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-02 19:47                       ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-02 20:48                         ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-02 20:51                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-03  9:45                           ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-03-03 13:04                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-03 14:34                               ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-03 15:59                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-06  3:48                                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-03-09 11:47                                   ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-03-03 14:39                               ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-02-25  0:55   ` Kees Cook
2022-03-02 16:25   ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 13/39] x86/livepatch: Validate " Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 23:02   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 14/39] x86/ibt,ftrace: Make function-graph play nice Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 15:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 15:42     ` Steven Rostedt
2022-02-24 23:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 15/39] x86/ibt,kprobes: Fix more +0 assumptions Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25  0:58   ` Kees Cook
2022-02-25  1:32   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-02-25 10:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25 13:42       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-02-25 15:41         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-26  2:10           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-02-26 11:48             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25 14:14       ` Steven Rostedt
2022-02-26  7:09         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-02-28  6:07   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-02-28 23:25     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-01  2:49       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-03-01  8:28         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-01 17:19           ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-03-01 19:12             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-01 20:05               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-02 15:59                 ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-03-02 16:38                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-02 16:17                 ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-03-02 19:32                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-02 19:39                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-03 12:11                       ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-03-03  1:54                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-03-02  0:11           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-03-02 10:25             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-01 17:03       ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 16/39] x86/bpf: Add ENDBR instructions to prologue and trampoline Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 23:37   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-25  0:59     ` Kees Cook
2022-02-25 11:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25 12:24     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25 22:46       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 17/39] x86/ibt,ftrace: Add ENDBR to samples/ftrace Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 18/39] x86/ibt: Add IBT feature, MSR and #CP handling Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 23:55   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-25 10:51     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25 11:10       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25 23:51       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-26 11:55         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25  1:09   ` Kees Cook
2022-02-25 19:59   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-03-01 15:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-01 21:02       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-01 23:13         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-03-02  1:59           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-03-02 13:49             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-02 18:38               ` Kees Cook
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 19/39] x86: Disable IBT around firmware Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25  1:10   ` Kees Cook
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 20/39] x86/bugs: Disable Retpoline when IBT Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25  1:11   ` Kees Cook
2022-02-25  2:22     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-25 10:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 21/39] x86/ibt: Annotate text references Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25  0:47   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-25 12:57     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25 13:04     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 22/39] x86/ibt,ftrace: Annotate ftrace code patching Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 23/39] x86/ibt,sev: Annotations Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 24/39] x86/text-patching: Make text_gen_insn() IBT aware Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25  0:49   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 25/39] x86/ibt,paravirt: Use text_gen_insn() for paravirt_patch() Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 26/39] x86/entry: Cleanup PARAVIRT Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 27/39] x86/entry,xen: Early rewrite of restore_regs_and_return_to_kernel() Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 17:51   ` Andrew Cooper
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 28/39] x86/ibt,xen: Sprinkle the ENDBR Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25  0:54   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-25 13:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 29/39] objtool: Rename --duplicate to --lto Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 30/39] Kbuild: Allow whole module objtool runs Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 31/39] objtool: Read the NOENDBR annotation Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 32/39] x86/ibt: Dont generate ENDBR in .discard.text Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 33/39] objtool: Add IBT/ENDBR decoding Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-03 10:53   ` Miroslav Benes
2022-03-03 11:06     ` Andrew Cooper
2022-03-03 12:33       ` Miroslav Benes
2022-03-03 14:13         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 34/39] objtool: Validate IBT assumptions Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-27  3:13   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-27 17:00     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-27 22:20       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-28  9:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-28 18:36           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-28 20:10             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-28  9:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-28 18:39         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 35/39] objtool: IBT fix direct JMP/CALL Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 36/39] objtool: Find unused ENDBR instructions Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-27  3:46   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-28 12:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-28 17:36       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 37/39] x86/ibt: Finish --ibt-fix-direct on module loading Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 38/39] x86/ibt: Ensure module init/exit points have references Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 39/39] x86/alternative: Use .ibt_endbr_sites to seal indirect calls Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 00/39] x86: Kernel IBT Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-25 15:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25 15:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25 17:26       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-25 17:32         ` Steven Rostedt
2022-02-25 19:53           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25 20:15             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-03-01 23:10     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-03-02 10:20       ` Peter Zijlstra

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