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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, joao@overdrivepizza.com, hjl.tools@gmail.com,
	andrew.cooper3@citrix.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	ndesaulniers@google.com, keescook@chromium.org,
	samitolvanen@google.com, mark.rutland@arm.com,
	alyssa.milburn@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 21/29] objtool: Rename --duplicate to --lto
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 10:32:28 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220228183228.splleoatuxxjr5kq@treble> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YhysYkcfwLr68Job@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 12:05:06PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > It just dawned on me that "--noinstr" already exists.  But I'm
> > scratching my head trying to figure out the difference between
> > "--noinstr" and omitting "--lto".
> 
> If you run: "objtool check --vmlinux --noinstr vmlinux.o", it'll only do
> the shallow .noinstr.text/.entry.text checks. If OTOH you do: "objtool
> check --vmlinux --noinstr --lto vmlinux.o" it'll do everything
> (including noinstr).

I think I got all that.  But what does "--vmlinux" do by itself?

> Similarlt, "--module --lto" will come to mean whole module (which is
> currently not distinguishable from a regular module part run).
> 
> (barring the possible 's/--lto/--whole-archive/' rename proposed up top)

Thanks for the explanations.  To summarize, we have:

  A) legacy mode:

     translation unit: objtool check [--module]
     vmlinux.o:        N/A
     module:           N/A

  B) CONFIG_VMLINUX_VALIDATION=y && !(CONFIG_X86_KERNEL_IBT=y || CONFIG_LTO=y)

     translation unit: objtool check [--module]
     vmlinux:          objtool check --vmlinux --noinstr
     module:           objtool check --module --noinstr
     
  C) CONFIG_X86_KERNEL_IBT=y || CONFIG_LTO=y:

     translation unit: N/A
     vmlinux:          objtool check --vmlinux --noinstr --lto
     module:           objtool check --module --noinstr --lto

Right?

I think I get it, but it's mental gymnastics for me to remember how the
options interact.  It still seems counterintuitive, because whatever
"objtool check" does to a translation unit, I'd expect "objtool check
--vmlinux" to do the same things.

I suppose it makes sense if I can remember that --vmlinux is a magical
option which disables all that other stuff.  And it's counteracted by
--lto, which removes the magic.  But that's all hard to remember and
just seems weird.

There are a variety of ways to run objtool against vmlinux.  The "lto"
approach is going to be less of an exception and may end up being the
default someday.  So making --vmlinux do weird stuff is going to be even
less intuitive as we go forward.  Let's make the default sane and
consistent with other file types.

So how about we just get rid of the magical --vmlinux and --lto options
altogether, and make --noinstr additive, like all the other options?

  A) legacy mode:
     .o files: objtool check [--module]
      vmlinux: N/A
       module: N/A

  B) CONFIG_NOINSTR_VALIDATION=y && !(CONFIG_X86_KERNEL_IBT=y || CONFIG_LTO=y):
     .o files: objtool check [--module]
      vmlinux: objtool check --noinstr-only
       module: objtool check --module --noinstr-only
     
  C) CONFIG_X86_KERNEL_IBT=y || CONFIG_LTO=y:
     .o files: N/A
      vmlinux: objtool check --noinstr
       module: objtool check --module --noinstr

(notice I renamed VMLINUX_VALIDATION to NOINSTR_VALIDATION)


Isn't that much more logical and intuitive?

  a) objtool has sane defaults, regardless of object type

  b) no magic options, other than --noinstr-only, but that's
     communicated in its name

  c) --vmlinux is no longer needed -- fewer options to juggle

-- 
Josh


  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-28 18:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-18 16:49 [PATCH 00/29] x86: Kernel IBT Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 01/29] static_call: Avoid building empty .static_call_sites Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 02/29] x86/module: Fix the paravirt vs alternative order Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 20:28   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-18 21:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 23:28       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 03/29] objtool: Add --dry-run Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 04/29] x86/livepatch: Validate __fentry__ location Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 21:08   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-23 10:09     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-23 10:21       ` Miroslav Benes
2022-02-23 10:57       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-23 12:41         ` Steven Rostedt
2022-02-23 14:05           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-23 14:16             ` Steven Rostedt
2022-02-23 14:23           ` Steven Rostedt
2022-02-23 14:33             ` Steven Rostedt
2022-02-23 14:49             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-23 15:54               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 05/29] x86: Base IBT bits Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 20:49   ` Andrew Cooper
2022-02-18 21:11     ` David Laight
2022-02-18 21:24       ` Andrew Cooper
2022-02-18 22:37         ` David Laight
2022-02-18 21:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 21:14   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-18 21:21     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 22:12   ` Joao Moreira
2022-02-19  1:07   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 06/29] x86/ibt: Add ANNOTATE_NOENDBR Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 07/29] x86/entry: Sprinkle ENDBR dust Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-19  0:23   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-19 23:08     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-19  0:36   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 08/29] x86/linkage: Add ENDBR to SYM_FUNC_START*() Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 09/29] x86/ibt,paravirt: Sprinkle ENDBR Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 10/29] x86/bpf: Add ENDBR instructions to prologue Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 11/29] x86/ibt,crypto: Add ENDBR for the jump-table entries Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 12/29] x86/ibt,kvm: Add ENDBR to fastops Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 13/29] x86/ibt,ftrace: Add ENDBR to samples/ftrace Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 14/29] x86/ibt: Add IBT feature, MSR and #CP handling Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 19:31   ` Andrew Cooper
2022-02-18 21:15     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-19  1:20   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-19  1:21   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-19  9:24     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-21  8:24   ` Kees Cook
2022-02-22  4:38   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-22  9:32     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 15/29] x86: Disable IBT around firmware Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-21  8:27   ` Kees Cook
2022-02-21 10:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-21 13:22       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-21 15:54       ` Kees Cook
2022-02-21 16:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 16/29] x86/bugs: Disable Retpoline when IBT Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-19  2:15   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-22 15:00     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-25  0:19       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 17/29] x86/ibt: Annotate text references Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-19  5:22   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-19  9:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 18/29] x86/ibt,ftrace: Annotate ftrace code patching Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 19/29] x86/ibt,xen: Annotate away warnings Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 20:24   ` Andrew Cooper
2022-02-18 21:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 23:07       ` Andrew Cooper
2022-02-21 14:20         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 20/29] x86/ibt,sev: Annotations Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 21/29] objtool: Rename --duplicate to --lto Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-26 19:42   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-26 21:48     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-28 11:05       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-28 18:32         ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2022-02-28 20:09           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-28 20:18             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-03-01 14:19               ` Miroslav Benes
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 22/29] Kbuild: Prepare !CLANG whole module objtool Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 23/29] objtool: Read the NOENDBR annotation Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 24/29] x86/text-patching: Make text_gen_insn() IBT aware Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24  1:18   ` Joao Moreira
2022-02-24  9:10     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 25/29] x86/ibt: Dont generate ENDBR in .discard.text Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 26/29] objtool: Add IBT validation / fixups Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 27/29] x86/ibt: Finish --ibt-fix-direct on module loading Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 28/29] x86/ibt: Ensure module init/exit points have references Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-18 16:49 ` [PATCH 29/29] x86/alternative: Use .ibt_endbr_sites to seal indirect calls Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-19  1:29 ` [PATCH 00/29] x86: Kernel IBT Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-19  9:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-19 16:00     ` Andrew Cooper
2022-02-21  8:42     ` Kees Cook
2022-02-21  9:24       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-23  7:26   ` Kees Cook
2022-02-24 16:47     ` Mike Rapoport

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