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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>
To: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
Cc: Steve French <smfrench@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] vfs: prevent copy_file_range to copy across devices
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:50:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <216103D5-0575-4BFC-9802-2C21A1B12DF9@dilger.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ4uxii=7KUKv1w32VbjkwS+Z1a0ge0gezNzpn_BiY6MFWkpA@mail.gmail.com>

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On Feb 17, 2021, at 1:08 AM, Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You are missing my point.
> Never mind which server. The server does not *need* to rely on
> vfs_copy_file_range() to copy files from XFS to ext4.
> The server is very capable of implementing the fallback generic copy
> in case source/target fs do not support native {copy,remap}_file_range().
> 
> w.r.t semantics of copy_file_range() syscall vs. the fallback to userespace
> 'cp' tool (check source file size before copy or not), please note that the
> semantics of CIFS_IOC_COPYCHUNK_FILE are that of the former:
> 
>        rc = cifs_file_copychunk_range(xid, src_file.file, 0, dst_file, 0,
>                                        src_inode->i_size, 0);
> 
> It will copy zero bytes if advertised source file size if zero.
> 
> NFS server side copy semantics are currently de-facto the same
> because both the client and the server will have to pass through this
> line in vfs_copy_file_range():
> 
>        if (len == 0)
>                return 0;
> 
> IMO, and this opinion was voiced by several other filesystem developers,
> the shortend copy semantics are the correct semantics for copy_file_range()
> syscall as well as for vfs_copy_file_range() for internal kernel users.
> 
> I guess what this means is that if the 'cp' tool ever tries an opportunistic
> copy_file_range() syscall (e.g. --cfr=auto), it may result in zero size copy.

Having a syscall that does the "wrong thing" when called on two files
doesn't make sense.  Expecting userspace to check whether source/target
files supports CFR is also not practical.  This is trivial for the
kernel to determine and return -EOPNOTSUPP to the caller if the source
file (procfs/sysfs/etc) does not work with CFR properly.

Applications must already handle -EOPNOTSUPP with a fallback, but
expecting all applications that may call copy_file_range() to be
properly coded to handle corner cases is just asking for trouble.
That is doubly true given that an existing widely-used tool like
cp and mv are using this syscall if it is available in the kernel.

Cheers, Andreas






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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-02-18  0:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-12  4:43 [PATCH 0/6] Add generated flag to filesystem struct to block copy_file_range Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-12  4:44 ` [PATCH 1/6] fs: Add flag to file_system_type to indicate content is generated Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-12  7:46   ` Greg KH
2021-02-12  8:20     ` Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-12  8:37       ` Greg KH
2021-02-12 15:33         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-02-12 15:45           ` Greg KH
2021-02-12 15:59             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-02-12 16:28               ` Greg KH
2021-02-12 20:22                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-02-12 23:03             ` Dave Chinner
2021-02-12 23:07               ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-02-12 23:27                 ` Dave Chinner
2021-02-12 23:54                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-02-15  0:38                     ` Dave Chinner
2021-02-15  1:12                       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-02-15  1:25                         ` Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-15  5:56                           ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-15  8:30                           ` Greg KH
2021-02-12  8:22     ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-12  8:39       ` Greg KH
2021-02-12 12:05         ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-12 12:18           ` Greg KH
2021-02-12 12:41             ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-12 14:11               ` Greg KH
2021-02-12 15:01                 ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-15  6:12               ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-15 10:39                 ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-15 12:22                   ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-15 14:23                     ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-15 14:51                       ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-15 15:43                       ` [PATCH v2] vfs: prevent copy_file_range to copy across devices Luis Henriques
2021-02-15 16:02                         ` Trond Myklebust
2021-02-16  0:25                           ` Steve French
2021-02-15 16:34                         ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-15 16:53                           ` Trond Myklebust
2021-02-15 17:24                             ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-15 18:57                               ` Trond Myklebust
2021-02-15 19:43                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-16 11:17                                   ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-16 11:28                                     ` gregkh
2021-02-16 12:01                                       ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-16 12:08                                         ` Greg KH
2021-02-16 13:51                                     ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-16 16:42                                       ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-16 17:44                                         ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-16 18:55                                           ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-16 19:20                                             ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-16 19:27                                               ` Anna Schumaker
2021-02-16 19:31                                                 ` Steve French
2021-02-16 19:40                                                   ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-16 21:15                                                     ` Steve French
2021-02-17  8:08                                                       ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-17 17:26                                                         ` [PATCH v3] vfs: fix copy_file_range regression in cross-fs copies Luis Henriques
2021-02-17 20:47                                                           ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-18  0:56                                                           ` Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-18  5:32                                                           ` Olga Kornievskaia
2021-02-18  6:47                                                             ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-18 16:28                                                               ` Olga Kornievskaia
2021-02-18  7:43                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-02-18  0:50                                                         ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2021-02-18  7:34                                                           ` [PATCH v2] vfs: prevent copy_file_range to copy across devices gregkh
2021-02-16 18:54                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2021-02-17  4:45                         ` Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-18  7:42                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-02-18  9:10                           ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-18 10:29                             ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-18 12:15                               ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-18 12:49                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-18 14:36                                   ` [PATCH v4] vfs: fix copy_file_range regression in cross-fs copies Luis Henriques
2021-02-18 14:58                                     ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-18 15:17                                       ` [PATCH v5] " Luis Henriques
2021-02-18 15:53                                         ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-18 16:35                                           ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-18 17:18                                             ` [PATCH v6] " Luis Henriques
2021-02-19 21:18                                               ` Olga Kornievskaia
2021-02-19 21:52                                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-21 19:58                                                 ` [PATCH v7] " Luis Henriques
2021-02-22  3:00                                                   ` Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-22 10:24                                                   ` [PATCH v8] " Luis Henriques
2021-02-22 10:46                                                     ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-22 16:25                                                     ` dai.ngo
2021-02-23 10:32                                                       ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-23 15:28                                                         ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-23 15:29                                                         ` dai.ngo
2021-02-23 16:02                                                           ` dai.ngo
2021-02-23 16:47                                                             ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-23 16:57                                                               ` dai.ngo
     [not found]                                                                 ` <e3eed18b-fc7e-e687-608b-7f662017329c@oracle.com>
2021-02-23 17:33                                                                   ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-24  0:13                                                                     ` dai.ngo
2021-02-23 17:56                                                                 ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-23 17:13                                                             ` Olga Kornievskaia
2021-02-24  1:00                                                     ` Olga Kornievskaia
2021-02-24 10:23                                                       ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-24 10:44                                                         ` Nicolas Boichat
2021-04-09  5:23                                                           ` Nicolas Boichat
2021-04-09 13:39                                                             ` Luis Henriques
2021-04-09 13:50                                                               ` Amir Goldstein
2021-04-23  4:40                                                                 ` Nicolas Boichat
2021-05-03  8:54                                                                   ` Luis Henriques
2021-05-10  4:59                                                                     ` Amir Goldstein
2021-05-10  9:10                                                                       ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-24  5:25                                                     ` [vfs] cb07c976be: ltp.copy_file_range01.fail kernel test robot
2021-02-24  5:25                                                       ` kernel test robot
2021-02-24  5:25                                                       ` [LTP] " kernel test robot
2021-02-24 14:23                                                     ` [PATCH] copy_file_range.2: Kernel v5.12 updates Luis Henriques
2021-02-24 16:10                                                       ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-25 10:21                                                         ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-25 15:29                                                           ` AW: " Walter Harms
2021-02-26 10:13                                                           ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-02-26 10:34                                                             ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-26 11:15                                                               ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-02-26 13:59                                                                 ` Jeff Layton
2021-02-26 21:26                                                                   ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-02-26 22:18                                                         ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-02-27  5:41                                                           ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-27 12:20                                                             ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-02-27 13:49                                                               ` [RFC v2] copy_file_range.2: Update cross-filesystem support for 5.12 Alejandro Colomar
2021-02-27 16:00                                                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-27 23:08                                                             ` [PATCH] copy_file_range.2: Kernel v5.12 updates Steve French
2021-02-28  7:35                                                               ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-28 22:25                                                                 ` Steve French
2021-03-01  6:18                                                                   ` Amir Goldstein
2021-03-01 14:41                                                       ` [RFC v3] copy_file_range.2: Update cross-filesystem support for 5.12 Alejandro Colomar
2021-03-01 14:58                                                         ` Amir Goldstein
2021-03-04  9:38                                                       ` [RFC v4] " Alejandro Colomar
2021-03-04 17:13                                                         ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-03-04 18:24                                                           ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-03-04 23:50                                                             ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-02-24  7:15                                     ` [PATCH v4] vfs: fix copy_file_range regression in cross-fs copies Amir Goldstein
2021-02-24  7:15                                       ` [LTP] " Amir Goldstein
2021-02-24  8:30                                       ` Petr Vorel
2021-02-24  8:30                                         ` [LTP] " Petr Vorel
2021-02-18 20:41                             ` [PATCH v2] vfs: prevent copy_file_range to copy across devices Steve French
2021-02-12 23:15       ` [PATCH 1/6] fs: Add flag to file_system_type to indicate content is generated Dave Chinner
2021-02-12  7:54   ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-12  4:44 ` [PATCH 2/6] proc: Add FS_GENERATED_CONTENT to filesystem flags Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-12  4:44 ` [PATCH 3/6] sysfs: " Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-12  4:44 ` [PATCH 4/6] debugfs: " Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-12  4:44 ` [PATCH 5/6] tracefs: " Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-12 14:47   ` Steven Rostedt
2021-02-12  4:44 ` [PATCH 6/6] vfs: Disallow copy_file_range on generated file systems Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-12  4:53   ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-02-12  4:59     ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-02-12  5:24       ` Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-14 23:09 ` [PATCH 0/6] Add generated flag to filesystem struct to block copy_file_range Al Viro

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