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From: Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
	Daniel Phillips <daniel@phunq.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	tux3@tux3.org, OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>
Subject: Re: xfs: does mkfs.xfs require fancy switches to get decent performance? (was Tux3 Report: How fast can we fsync?)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 19:59:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3246506.SjtgcIJ5rz@merkaba> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150430145710.GE12374@thunk.org>

Am Donnerstag, 30. April 2015, 10:57:10 schrieb Theodore Ts'o:
> One of the problems is that it's *hard* to get good benchmarking
> numbers that take into account file system aging and measure how well
> the free space has been fragmented over time.  Most of the benchmark
> results that I've seen do a really lousy job at this, and the vast
> majority don't even try.
> 
> This is one of the reasons why I find head-to-head "competitions"
> between file systems to be not very helpful for anything other than
> benchmarketing.  It's almost certain that the benchmark won't be
> "fair" in some way, and it doesn't really matter whether the person
> doing the benchmark was doing it with malice aforethought, or was just
> incompetent and didn't understand the issues --- or did understand the
> issues and didn't really care, because what they _really_ wanted to do
> was to market their file system.

I agree to that.

One benchmark measure one thing, and if its with the fresh filesystem, it 
does so with a fresh filesystem.

Benchmarks that aiming at how to test an aged filesystem are much more 
expensive in time and resources needed, unless one reuses and aged 
filesystem image again and again.

Thanks for your explainations, Ted,

Ciao,
-- 
Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de
GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA  B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-04-30 17:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-28 23:13 Tux3 Report: How fast can we fsync? Daniel Phillips
2015-04-28 23:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29  2:21 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-29  6:01   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29  6:01     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29  6:20     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29  6:56       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29  6:56         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29  6:33     ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-29  7:23       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29  7:23         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29 16:42         ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-29 19:05           ` xfs: does mkfs.xfs require fancy switches to get decent performance? (was Tux3 Report: How fast can we fsync?) Mike Galbraith
2015-04-29 19:20             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 21:12             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30  4:40               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30  0:20             ` Dave Chinner
2015-04-30  3:35               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30  9:00               ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-30  9:00                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-30 14:57                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-30 15:59                   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 17:59                   ` Martin Steigerwald [this message]
2015-04-30 11:14               ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 12:07                 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30 12:58                   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 12:58                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 13:48                     ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30 14:07                       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 14:28                         ` Howard Chu
2015-04-30 14:28                           ` Howard Chu
2015-04-30 15:14                           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 16:00                             ` Howard Chu
2015-04-30 18:22                             ` Christian Stroetmann
2015-05-11 22:12                             ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-11 23:17                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-05-12  2:34                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12  5:38                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-12  6:18                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12  6:18                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 18:39                                       ` David Lang
2015-05-12 20:54                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 21:30                                           ` David Lang
2015-05-12 22:27                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 22:35                                               ` David Lang
2015-05-12 23:55                                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-05-13  1:26                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 19:09                                                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-05-13 19:37                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 20:02                                                       ` Jeremy Allison
2015-05-13 20:02                                                         ` Jeremy Allison
2015-05-13 20:24                                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 20:25                                                       ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-05-13 20:38                                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 21:10                                                           ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-05-13  0:31                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 21:30                                           ` Christian Stroetmann
2015-05-13  7:20                                           ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-13 13:47                                             ` Elifarley Callado Coelho Cruz
2015-05-12  9:03                                   ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-12  9:03                                     ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-12 11:22                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 13:26                                       ` Howard Chu
2015-05-11 23:53                               ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-11 23:53                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12  0:12                                 ` David Lang
2015-05-12  4:36                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 17:30                                     ` Christian Stroetmann
2015-05-13  7:25                                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-13 11:31                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 12:41                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 13:08                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-13 13:15                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 14:33                         ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30 15:24                           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 15:24                             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29 20:40           ` Tux3 Report: How fast can we fsync? Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29 20:40             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29 22:06             ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-04-29 22:06               ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-04-30  3:57               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30  3:50             ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30 10:59               ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30  1:46 ` Dave Chinner
2015-04-30 10:28   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 10:28     ` Daniel Phillips
     [not found]     ` <55420EAC.5040900@suse.com>
2015-04-30 11:36       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 13:19         ` Filipe David Manana
2015-04-30 13:25           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-01 15:38     ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-01 23:20       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-02  1:07         ` David Lang
2015-05-02 10:26           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-02 16:00             ` Christian Stroetmann
2015-05-02 16:30               ` Richard Weinberger
2015-05-02 17:00                 ` Christian Stroetmann
2015-05-12 17:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 17:46 ` Tux3 Report: How fast can we fail? Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 22:07   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26 10:03   ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-26 10:03     ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-27  6:41     ` Mosis Tembo
2015-05-27 18:28       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27 18:28         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27 21:39         ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-27 22:46           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-28 12:55             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-05-27  7:37     ` Mosis Tembo
2015-05-27 14:04       ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-05-27 15:21         ` Mosis Tembo
2015-05-27 15:37           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-05-14  7:37 ` [WIP] tux3: Optimized fsync Daniel Phillips
2015-05-14  8:26 ` [FYI] tux3: Core changes Daniel Phillips
2015-05-14 12:59   ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-15  0:06     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-15  0:06       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-15  3:06       ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-15  8:09         ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-15  9:54           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-15  9:54             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-15 11:00             ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-16 22:38               ` David Lang
2015-05-18 12:57                 ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-18 12:57                   ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-15  9:38         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-15  9:38           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27  7:41           ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-27 18:09             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27 18:09               ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27 21:37               ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-27 22:33                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-15  8:05       ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-17 13:26     ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-05-18  2:20       ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-18  7:58         ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-05-19  4:46         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-21 19:43     ` [WIP][PATCH] tux3: preliminatry nospace handling Daniel Phillips
2015-05-19 14:00   ` [FYI] tux3: Core changes Jan Kara
2015-05-19 19:18     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-19 20:33       ` David Lang
2015-05-19 20:33         ` David Lang
2015-05-20 14:44         ` Jan Kara
2015-05-20 16:22           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-20 18:01             ` David Lang
2015-05-20 18:01               ` David Lang
2015-05-20 19:53             ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-20 19:53               ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-20 22:51               ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-20 22:51                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-21  3:24                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-21  3:51                   ` David Lang
2015-05-21 19:53                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-21 19:53                       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26  4:25                       ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-26  4:25                         ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-26  4:30                         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26  4:30                           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26  6:04                           ` David Lang
2015-05-26  6:04                             ` David Lang
2015-05-26  6:11                             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26  6:13                               ` David Lang
2015-05-26  6:13                                 ` David Lang
2015-05-26  8:09                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26  8:09                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26 10:13                                   ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-26 10:13                                     ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-26  7:09                               ` Jan Kara
2015-05-26  8:08                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26  8:08                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26  9:00                                   ` Jan Kara
2015-05-26  9:00                                     ` Jan Kara
2015-05-26 20:22                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26 21:36                                       ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-26 21:49                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26 21:49                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27  8:41                                       ` Jan Kara
2015-06-21 15:36                                         ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-06-21 15:36                                           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-06-23 16:12                                           ` Jan Kara
2015-07-05 12:54                                             ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-07-05 12:54                                               ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-07-09 16:05                                               ` Jan Kara
2015-07-09 16:05                                                 ` Jan Kara
2015-07-31  4:44                                                 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-07-31 15:37                                                   ` Raymond Jennings
2015-07-31 17:27                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-07-31 17:27                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-07-31 18:29                                                       ` David Lang
2015-07-31 18:29                                                         ` David Lang
2015-07-31 18:43                                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-07-31 18:43                                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-07-31 22:12                                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-07-31 22:12                                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-07-31 22:27                                                           ` David Lang
2015-08-01  0:00                                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-08-01  0:00                                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2015-08-01  0:16                                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2015-08-01  0:16                                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-08-03 13:07                                                                 ` Jan Kara
2015-08-01 10:55                                                             ` Elifarley Callado Coelho Cruz
2015-08-18 16:39                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2015-08-03 13:42                                                   ` Jan Kara
2015-08-03 13:42                                                     ` Jan Kara
2015-08-09 13:42                                                     ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-08-10 12:45                                                       ` Jan Kara
2015-08-10 12:45                                                         ` Jan Kara
2015-08-16 19:42                                                         ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-05-26 10:22                                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-05-26 12:33                                     ` Jan Kara
2015-05-26 12:33                                       ` Jan Kara
2015-05-26 19:18                                     ` Daniel Phillips

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