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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
Cc: qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Memory API
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 19:14:13 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DD3F055.6000905@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DD3ED22.6080005@siemens.com>

On 05/18/2011 07:00 PM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> On 2011-05-18 17:42, Avi Kivity wrote:
> >  On 05/18/2011 06:36 PM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   We need to head for the more hardware-like approach.  What happens when
> >>>   you program overlapping BARs?  I imagine the result is
> >>>   implementation-defined, but ends up with one region decoded in
> >>>   preference to the other.  There is simply no way to reject an
> >>>   overlapping mapping.
> >>
> >>  But there is also now simple way to allow them. At least not without
> >>  exposing control about their ordering AND allowing to hook up managing
> >>  code (e.g. of the PCI bridge or the chipset) that controls registrations.
> >
> >  What about memory_region_add_subregion(..., int priority) as I suggested
> >  in another message?
>
> That's fine, but also requires a change how, or better where devices
> register their regions.

Lost you - please elaborate.

> >
> >  Regarding bridges, every registration request flows through them so they
> >  already have full control.
>
> Not everything is PCI, we also have ISA e.g. If we were able to route
> such requests also through a hierarchy of abstract bridges, then even
> better.

Yes, it's a tree of nested MemoryRegions.

> >  We'll definitely have a flattened view (phys_desc is such a flattened
> >  view, hopefully we'll have a better one).
>
> phys_desc is not exportable. If we try (and we do from time to time...),
> we end up with more slots than clients like kvm will ever be able to handle.

If we coalesce ajacent phys_descs we end up with a minimal 
representation.  Of course that's not the most efficient implementation 
(a tree walk is better).

> >
> >  We can basically run a tree walk on each change, emitting ranges in
> >  order and sending them to PhysMemClients.
>
> I'm specifically thinking of fully trackable slot updates. The clients
> should not have to maintain the flat layout. They should just receive
> updates in the form of slot X added/modified/removed. For now, this
> magic happens multiple times in the clients, and that is very bad.

Slots don't have any meaning.  You can have a RAM region which is 
overlaid by a smaller mmio region -> the RAM slot is split into two.

We should just send clients a list of ranges, and they can associate 
them with slots themselves.

> Given that not only memory clients need that view but that ever TLB miss
> (in TCG mode) requires to identify the effective slot as well, it might
> be worth preparing a runtime structure at registration time that
> supports this efficiently - but this time without wasting memory.

Yes.  Won't be easy though.  Perhaps a perfect hash table for small 
regions and a sorted-by-size array for large regions.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-18 16:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-18 13:12 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Memory API Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 14:05 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 14:36   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 15:11     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 15:17       ` Peter Maydell
2011-05-18 15:30         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 19:10           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-18 19:27             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 19:34               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-18 20:02                 ` Alex Williamson
2011-05-18 20:11                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 20:13                     ` Alex Williamson
2011-05-18 20:07                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 20:41                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19  8:26               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19  8:30                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19  8:44                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:59                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:52                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:56                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:57                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 14:04                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 14:06                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 14:11                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 18:18                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 18:50                             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 19:02                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 19:10                                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-20  9:15                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-20 17:30                   ` Blue Swirl
2011-05-22  7:23                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  6:31             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:23               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:25                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:26                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:35                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:36                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:43                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:39                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  8:09             ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 15:23       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 15:36         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 15:42           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 16:00             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 16:14               ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2011-05-18 16:39                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 16:47                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 17:07                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 17:15                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 17:40                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 20:13                     ` Richard Henderson
2011-05-19  8:04                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  9:08             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19  9:10               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  9:14                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 11:44                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 11:54                     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 11:57                       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 11:58                         ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 12:02                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 12:21                             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 12:02                           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 11:57                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 12:20                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 12:50                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 12:58                             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:00                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:03                                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:07                                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:26                                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:30                                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:43                                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:47                                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:49                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:53                                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 14:15                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 14:20                                               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 14:25                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 14:28                                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 14:31                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 14:37                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 14:40                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 16:17                                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 16:25                                                           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 16:28                                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 16:30                                                               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 16:36                                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 16:49                                                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 17:12                                                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 18:11                                                                       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-20  8:58                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-20  8:56                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-20 14:51                                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-20 16:43                                                                       ` Olivier Galibert
2011-05-20 17:32                                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-22  7:36                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 16:43                                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 16:51                                                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 16:27                                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-20  8:59                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-20 11:57                                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-22  7:37                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-22  8:06                                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-22  8:09                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-22  8:59                                                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-22 12:26                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 16:32                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 16:35                                                           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 16:38                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 16:50                                                               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-20  9:03                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-20  9:01                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-20 15:33                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-20 15:59                                                               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-22  7:38                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-22 15:42                                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 14:21                                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:44                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:47                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:50                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:55                       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:55                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 18:06                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 18:21                           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:49                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  9:24               ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-05-19 14:49                 ` Peter Maydell
2011-05-18 16:33         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-18 16:41           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 17:04             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-18 17:13               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 16:42           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 17:05             ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 15:14   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-18 15:26     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 16:21       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 16:42         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 16:49           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 17:11             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-18 17:38               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 15:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-18 15:37   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 19:36     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 15:47   ` Stefan Weil
2011-05-18 16:06     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 16:51       ` Richard Henderson
2011-05-18 16:53         ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 17:03           ` Richard Henderson
2011-05-18 15:58 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 16:26 ` Richard Henderson
2011-05-18 16:37   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 17:17 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 19:40 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19  8:06   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  8:08     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19  8:13       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  8:25         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19  8:43           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  9:24             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 11:58               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:36   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:37     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:41       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 17:39       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 18:03         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 18:28           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 18:33             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 18:11         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 18:22           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 18:27             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 18:40               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 18:45                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 18:50                   ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 18:55                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 19:02                       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-20  7:23                       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-20  7:40                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-20 11:25                           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-22  7:50                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-22  8:41                               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-22 10:53                                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-22 11:29                                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-23  8:45                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-23 22:29                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2011-05-20  9:10             ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-20 12:08               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-22  7:56                 ` Avi Kivity

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