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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: "Bae, Chang Seok" <chang.seok.bae@intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>, "luto@kernel.org" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
	"Liu, Jing2" <jing2.liu@intel.com>,
	"Shankar, Ravi V" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 14/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Expand the xstate buffer on the first use of dynamic user state
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:24:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <708c2d6f-9a80-1512-33fd-cd3f2b49ea69@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <571F9371-E942-49A7-BEF0-7C422F6A1F0F@intel.com>

On 3/23/21 2:52 PM, Bae, Chang Seok wrote:
>>  "System software may disable use of Intel AMX by clearing XCR0[18:17], by
>>   clearing CR4.OSXSAVE, or by setting IA32_XFD[18]. It is recommended that
>>   system software initialize AMX state (e.g., by executing TILERELEASE)
>>   before doing so. This is because maintaining AMX state in a
>>   non-initialized state may have negative power and performance
>>   implications."
>>
>> I'm not seeing anything related to this. Is this a recommendation
>> which can be ignored or is that going to be duct taped into the code
>> base once the first user complains about slowdowns of their non AMX
>> workloads on that machine?
> I think this part in the doc is worth to be mentioned at first:
> 
>     “The XTILEDATA state component is very large, and an operating system may
>     prefer not to allocate memory for the XTILEDATA state of every user
>     thread. Such an operating system that enables Intel AMX might prefer to
>     prevent specific user threads from using the feature. An extension called
>     extended feature disable (XFD) is added to the XSAVE feature set to
>     support such a usage. XFD is described in Section 3.2.6.”
> 
> So, in this series, instead of saving this state always, the state is saved
> only when used. XFD helps to detect each thread’s first use of those
> registers. Thus, the XFD’s MSR bit is maintained as per-task here.

This doesn't really have anything to do with XFD.

The spec says, basically, "as long as you have AMX state in the
registers, you may pay a penalty".

When we switch between userspace tasks, AMX gets automatically
reinitialized by XRSTOR if the task to which we switch is not using AMX.
 All is good there.

But, what if we remain in the kernel?  Let's say kswapd is going to run
for a while.  Does kswapd pay the AMX-not-in-init-state penalty?  Or,
what if we want to go to idle?  Does AMX state affect *how* idle the CPU
can go?

We probably want to actively go out and zap AMX state at some
well-defined boundary.  It's radioactive.  Task switching seems as sane
a place as any to do that.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-24 14:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-21 18:56 [PATCH v4 00/22] x86: Support Intel Advanced Matrix Extensions Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 01/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Modify the initialization helper to handle both static and dynamic buffers Chang S. Bae
2021-03-10 13:40   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 02/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Modify state copy helpers " Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 03/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Modify address finders " Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 04/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Modify the context restore helper " Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 05/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Add a new variable to indicate dynamic user states Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 06/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Add new variables to indicate dynamic xstate buffer size Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 07/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Calculate and remember dynamic xstate buffer sizes Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 08/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Convert the struct fpu 'state' field to a pointer Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 09/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce helpers to manage the xstate buffer dynamically Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 10/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Define the scope of the initial xstate data Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 11/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Update the xstate save function to support dynamic states Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 12/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Update the xstate buffer address finder " Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 13/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Update the xstate context copy function " Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 14/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Expand the xstate buffer on the first use of dynamic user state Chang S. Bae
2021-03-20 22:13   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-03-20 22:21     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-23 21:01       ` Len Brown
2021-03-24  3:14         ` Liu, Jing2
2021-03-24 21:09           ` Len Brown
2021-03-24 21:26             ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-24 21:30               ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-24 21:42                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-24 21:58                   ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-24 22:12                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-25  5:12             ` Liu, Jing2
2021-03-25  6:59               ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-03-25  7:26                 ` Liu, Jing2
2021-03-23 21:52     ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-03-24 14:24       ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2021-03-29 13:14     ` Len Brown
2021-03-29 13:33       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-03-29 15:43         ` Len Brown
2021-03-29 16:06           ` Len Brown
2021-03-29 17:43             ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-29 18:57               ` Len Brown
2021-03-29 18:49           ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-03-29 22:16             ` Len Brown
2021-03-30  8:28               ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-03-30 16:38                 ` Len Brown
2021-03-26 16:34   ` Jann Horn
2021-03-29 18:14     ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 15/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Support ptracer-induced xstate buffer expansion Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 16/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Extend the table to map state components with features Chang S. Bae
2021-03-20 21:25   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-03-23 21:52     ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 17/22] x86/cpufeatures/amx: Enumerate Advanced Matrix Extension (AMX) feature bits Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 18/22] x86/fpu/amx: Define AMX state components and have it used for boot-time checks Chang S. Bae
2021-03-20 21:31   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-03-23 21:52     ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 19/22] x86/fpu/amx: Enable the AMX feature in 64-bit mode Chang S. Bae
2021-03-20 21:26   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-03-23 21:51     ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 20/22] selftest/x86/amx: Include test cases for the AMX state management Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 21/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Support dynamic user state in the signal handling path Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 18:56 ` [PATCH v4 22/22] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce boot-parameters to control state component support Chang S. Bae
2021-02-21 19:30   ` Randy Dunlap
2021-02-21 20:10     ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-02-21 20:37       ` Randy Dunlap
2021-03-20 20:56   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-03-25 22:59     ` Len Brown
2021-03-25 23:10       ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-26 15:27         ` Len Brown
2021-03-26 19:22           ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-03-26  1:41       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-26 15:33         ` Len Brown
2021-03-26 15:48           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-26 17:53             ` Len Brown
2021-03-26 18:12               ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-27  4:53                 ` Len Brown
2021-03-27 22:20                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-03-29 13:31                     ` Len Brown
2021-03-29 14:10                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-03-26 18:17               ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-27  4:41                 ` Len Brown
2021-03-26  1:50       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-03-26 15:36         ` Len Brown

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