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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>
To: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>
Cc: Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@fb.com>, Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>,
	Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC bpf-next 4/5] iproute2: Allow compiling against libbpf
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 14:04:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877e75pftb.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0c3d78eb-d305-9266-b505-c2f9181d5c89@iogearbox.net>

Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net> writes:

> On 8/22/19 12:43 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>> Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net> writes:
>>> On 8/20/19 1:47 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>>>> This adds a configure check for libbpf and renames functions to allow
>>>> lib/bpf.c to be compiled with it present. This makes it possible to
>>>> port functionality piecemeal to use libbpf.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@redhat.com>
>>>> ---
>>>>    configure          | 16 ++++++++++++++++
>>>>    include/bpf_util.h |  6 +++---
>>>>    ip/ipvrf.c         |  4 ++--
>>>>    lib/bpf.c          | 33 +++++++++++++++++++--------------
>>>>    4 files changed, 40 insertions(+), 19 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/configure b/configure
>>>> index 45fcffb6..5a89ee9f 100755
>>>> --- a/configure
>>>> +++ b/configure
>>>> @@ -238,6 +238,19 @@ check_elf()
>>>>        fi
>>>>    }
>>>>    
>>>> +check_libbpf()
>>>> +{
>>>> +    if ${PKG_CONFIG} libbpf --exists; then
>>>> +	echo "HAVE_LIBBPF:=y" >>$CONFIG
>>>> +	echo "yes"
>>>> +
>>>> +	echo 'CFLAGS += -DHAVE_LIBBPF' `${PKG_CONFIG} libbpf --cflags` >> $CONFIG
>>>> +	echo 'LDLIBS += ' `${PKG_CONFIG} libbpf --libs` >>$CONFIG
>>>> +    else
>>>> +	echo "no"
>>>> +    fi
>>>> +}
>>>> +
>>>>    check_selinux()
>>>
>>> More of an implementation detail at this point in time, but want to
>>> make sure this doesn't get missed along the way: as discussed at
>>> bpfconf [0] best for iproute2 to handle libbpf support would be the
>>> same way of integration as pahole does, that is, to integrate it via
>>> submodule [1] to allow kernel and libbpf features to be in sync with
>>> iproute2 releases and therefore easily consume extensions we're adding
>>> to libbpf to aide iproute2 integration.
>> 
>> I can sorta see the point wrt keeping in sync with kernel features. But
>> how will this work with distros that package libbpf as a regular
>> library? Have you guys given up on regular library symbol versioning for
>> libbpf?
>
> Not at all, and I hope you know that. ;-)

Good! Didn't really expect you had, just checking ;)

> The reason I added lib/bpf.c integration into iproute2 directly back
> then was exactly such that users can start consuming BPF for tc and
> XDP via iproute2 /everywhere/ with only a simple libelf dependency
> which is also available on all distros since pretty much forever. If
> it was an external library, we could have waited till hell freezes
> over and initial distro adoption would have pretty much taken forever:
> to pick one random example here wrt the pace of some downstream
> distros [0]. The main rationale is pretty much the same as with added
> kernel features that land complementary iproute2 patches for that
> kernel release and as libbpf is developed alongside it is reasonable
> to guarantee user expectations that iproute2 released for kernel
> version x can make use of BPF features added to kernel x with same
> loader support from x.

Well, for iproute2 I would expect this to be solved by version
dependencies. I.e. iproute2 version X would depend on libbpf version Y+
(like, I dunno, the version of libbpf included in the same kernel source
tree as the kernel version iproute2 is targeting? :)).

If we vendor libbpf into every project using it, we'll end up with
dozens of different versions statically linked into each binary, kinda
defeating the purpose of having it as a shared library in the first
place...

-Toke

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-22 12:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-20 11:47 [RFC bpf-next 0/5] Convert iproute2 to use libbpf (WIP) Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-20 11:47 ` [RFC bpf-next 1/5] libbpf: Add map definition struct fields from iproute2 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-20 11:47 ` [RFC bpf-next 2/5] libbpf: Add support for auto-pinning of maps with reuse on program load Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-20 11:47 ` [RFC bpf-next 3/5] libbpf: Add support for specifying map pinning path via callback Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-20 11:47 ` [RFC bpf-next 4/5] iproute2: Allow compiling against libbpf Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-22  8:58   ` Daniel Borkmann
2019-08-22 10:43     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-22 11:45       ` Daniel Borkmann
2019-08-22 12:04         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2019-08-22 12:33           ` Daniel Borkmann
2019-08-22 13:38             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-22 13:45               ` Daniel Borkmann
2019-08-22 15:28                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-20 11:47 ` [RFC bpf-next 5/5] iproute2: Support loading XDP programs with libbpf Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-21 19:26 ` [RFC bpf-next 0/5] Convert iproute2 to use libbpf (WIP) Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-21 21:00   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-22  7:52     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-08-22 10:38       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-21 20:30 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-08-21 21:07   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-22  7:49     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-08-22  8:33       ` Daniel Borkmann
2019-08-22 11:48         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-22 11:49           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-23  6:31         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-08-23 11:29           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-28 20:40             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-02-03  7:29               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-02-03 19:34                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-02-04  0:56                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-02-04  1:46                     ` David Ahern
2020-02-04  3:41                       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-02-04  4:52                         ` David Ahern
2020-02-04  5:00                           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-02-04  8:25                             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-02-04 18:47                               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-02-04 19:19                                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-02-04 19:29                                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-02-04 21:56                                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-02-04 22:12                                       ` David Ahern
2020-02-04 22:35                                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-02-04 23:13                                           ` David Ahern
2020-02-05 10:37                                             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-02-04  8:27                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-08-23 10:27   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2019-08-28 20:23     ` Andrii Nakryiko

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