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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: "Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/26] qapi: add #if pre-processor conditions to generated code
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 15:55:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87efsab8ns.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170727154126.11339-1-marcandre.lureau@redhat.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Marc-Andr=C3=A9?= Lureau"'s message of "Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:41:00 +0200")

Marc-André Lureau <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> In order to clean-up some hacks in qapi (having to unregister commands
> at runtime), I proposed a "[PATCH v5 02/20] qapi.py: add a simple #ifdef condition"
>
> (see http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2016-08/msg03106.html).
>
> However, we decided to drop that patch from the series and solve the
> problem later. The main issues were:
> - the syntax was awkward to the JSON schema and documentation
> - the evaluation of the condition was done in the qapi scripts, with
>   very limited capability
> - each target/config would need different generated files.
>
> Instead, it could defer the #if evaluation to the C-preprocessor.
>
> With this series, top-level qapi JSON entity can take 'if' keys:
>
> { 'struct': 'TestIfStruct', 'data': { 'foo': 'int' },
>   'if': 'defined(TEST_IF_STRUCT)' }
>
> Members can be exploded as dictionnary with 'type'/'if' keys:
>
> { 'struct': 'TestIfStruct', 'data':
>   { 'foo': 'int',
>     'bar': { 'type': 'int', 'if': 'defined(TEST_IF_STRUCT_BAR)'} } }
>
> Enum values can be exploded as dictionnary with 'type'/'if' keys:
>
> { 'enum': 'TestIfEnum', 'data':
>   [ 'foo',
>     { 'name' : 'bar', 'if': 'defined(TEST_IF_ENUM_BAR)' } ] }
>
> A good benefit from having conditional schema is that introspection
> will reflect more accurately the capability of the server. Another
> benefit is that it may help to remove some dead code when disabling a
> functionality.

This is the main benefit.  Until we realize it, introspection remains
seriously hobbled.

A few closing remarks.

The general approach "generate the #if for the compiler to evaluate"
looks sound.

I haven't been able to fully review how it's integrated into the QAPI
language and how the generators implement it.  I hope a bit of judicious
patch splitting will help me over the hump.

As so often, solving one problem makes other problems more visible.  In
this case, the problem that we generate a monolith, and pay for that
with compile time.  More of it once we compile the monolith per target.

> Starting from patch "qapi: add conditions to VNC type/commands/events
> on the schema", the series demonstrate adding conditions, in order to
> remove qmp_unregister_commands_hack(). However, it feels like I
> cheated a little bit by using per-target NEED_CPU_H in the headers to
> avoid #define poison. The alternative could be to split the headers in
> common/target?

Yup, we could really use a way to modularize the generated code.

If your work leads us to ideas on how to crack the monolith, great.  If
not, we'll have to decide whether we can live with the compile time hit.
I'd rather not block your work on cracking the monolith.

> There are a lot more things we could make conditional in the QAPI
> schema, like pci/kvm/xen/numa/vde/slirp/posix/win32/vsock/lzo etc etc,
> however I am still evaluating the implication of such changes both
> externally and internally, for those interested, I can share my wip
> branch.

You provide the infrastructure and useful examples of use.  Good enough,
no need to hunt down *all* uses right away.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-17 13:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-27 15:41 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/26] qapi: add #if pre-processor conditions to generated code Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/26] qapi: fix type_seen key error Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-15 14:40   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-17 23:17     ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/26] qobject: replace dump_qobject() by qobject_to_string() Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-16  9:02   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/26] qboject: add literal qobject type Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-16  8:59   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-22 11:16     ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/26] qapi: generate a literal qobject for introspection Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-16 10:21   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-22 11:17     ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-17 11:48   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/26] visitor: pass size of strings array to enum visitor Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-16 12:54   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-22 11:17     ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/26] qapi2texi: minor python code simplification Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-16 12:55   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/26] qapi: add 'if' condition on top-level schema elements Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-16 15:43   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-17  5:50     ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-22 11:17     ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-22 16:52       ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-23 12:45         ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-08-17 11:51   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/26] qapi: add 'if' condition on enum member values Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/26] qapi: add 'if' condition on struct member Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/26] qapi: add 'if' condition on union variant Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/26] qapi: add 'if' condition on alternate variant Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/26] qapi2texi: add 'If:' section to generated documentation Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/26] qapi2texi: add 'If:' condition to enum values Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/26] qapi2texi: add 'If:' condition to struct members Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/26] qapi2texi: add condition to variants Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/26] qapi: add conditions to VNC type/commands/events on the schema Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-28 19:00   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-17  6:32     ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-17  9:33       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-17  7:04   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-17  8:56     ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-23 15:07       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-08-23 17:35         ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-08-23 15:09     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-08-29 10:42     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-08-29 10:46       ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/26] qapi: add conditions to SPICE " Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-17  8:10   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-17  8:43     ` Markus Armbruster
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/26] qapi: add conditions to REPLICATION type/commands " Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-17  9:16   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-22 11:18     ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 19/26] build-sys: move qapi variables in qapi.mak Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-17  9:19   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 20/26] tests/qmp-test: add query-qmp-schema test Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 21/26] build-sys: make qemu qapi objects per-target Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-17 11:44   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-22 11:18     ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 22/26] qapi: make rtc-reset-reinjection depend on TARGET_I386 Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-17 11:57   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-22 11:18     ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 23/26] qapi: make s390 commands depend on TARGET_S390X Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-17 12:13   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 24/26] qapi: make query-gic-capabilities depend on TARGET_ARM Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 25/26] qapi: make query-cpu-model-expansion depend on s390 or x86 Marc-André Lureau
2017-07-27 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 26/26] qapi: make query-cpu-definitions depend on specific targets Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-17 12:30   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-17 12:43     ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-17 13:55 ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2017-08-22 11:22   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/26] qapi: add #if pre-processor conditions to generated code Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-22 16:58     ` Markus Armbruster

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