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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
Cc: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 07:53:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r30prlif.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7ae1e13f-b6a0-a735-3952-4e3833e34ad8@redhat.com> (John Snow's message of "Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:18:14 -0400")

John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com> writes:

> On 04/18/2017 07:57 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>>   Hi,
>> 
>>>> Just like -device is a general way to plug in devices, replacing
>>>> multiple special ways (-net, -drive, -usb, ...), we could use a general
>>>> way to configure onboard devices.
>>>
>>> I looked at the -device implementation to see if the bus= parameter
>>> could be used to specify onboard device addresses, but I think you may
>>> be right that we need a separate command-line argument for onboard
>>> devices.
>> 
>> I think so.
>> 
>> There is -global, which is actually used by libvirt to configure
>> built-in floppy devices.  But as the name suggests it sets properties
>> globally, i.e. for all instances.  Which works in this specific use
>> case, as there can be only one floppy controller per machine, but I
>
> Spec-wise, Can't you have two?

You can, but approximately nobody wants to.

>> don't think this is something we want build on.
>> 
>> There is -set, but that works only for devices created via -device,
>> because it operates on QemuOpts, and we don't have QemuOpts for built-in
>> devices.

Yes.  QAPIfying the command line wouldn't change that.

>> We probably want something like
>>   -qom-set-property {objpath|alias}.prop=value

Makes sense to me.

We should be able to desugar -net, ... to -qom-set-property then.
However, the desugaring would be machine-specific in general.  Machines
would need to provide data or code to guide the desugaring, replacing
their code that rummages through global configuration such as
nd_table[].  Sounds like an improvement to me.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-04-19  5:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-08  8:26 [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) Thomas Huth
2017-03-08 10:03 ` Peter Maydell
2017-03-08 11:22   ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-08 11:24     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-09 12:33       ` Markus Armbruster
2017-03-09  2:21     ` Jason Wang
2017-03-09  8:50       ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-09  9:53         ` Jason Wang
2017-03-09 10:20           ` Yongbok Kim
2017-03-10 11:07             ` Jason Wang
2017-03-10 11:22               ` Peter Maydell
2017-03-10 11:53                 ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-10 11:58                   ` Yongbok Kim
2018-04-24 19:45                     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2017-03-09 10:11         ` [Qemu-devel] external snapshots freezes block device since qemu 2.8 Piotr Rybicki
2017-03-09 12:26           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-04-05 22:18             ` John Snow
2017-04-06  9:25               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-03-10 14:49           ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2017-03-10 15:44             ` Piotr Rybicki
2017-03-08 10:20 ` [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-08 11:19   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-12 13:47     ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-04-12 14:10       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-03-09 16:00 ` Kevin Wolf
2017-03-24 22:10 ` John Snow
2017-03-27  8:06   ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-27 12:01     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-03-27 12:49       ` Peter Maydell
2017-04-03 14:19         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-04-11 12:53           ` Markus Armbruster
2017-04-18  9:51             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-04-18 11:57               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-18 17:18                 ` John Snow
2017-04-19  5:53                   ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2017-04-19 10:35                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-19 10:15                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-19 23:08                     ` John Snow
2017-04-20  5:40                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-20 11:10                         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2017-03-27 12:56       ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating the -net option (was: What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces)) Thomas Huth
2017-03-27 13:09         ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating the -net option Thomas Huth
2017-03-27 15:04           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-27 19:04     ` [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) John Snow
2017-03-27 19:46       ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-29 16:21       ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating old machine types Thomas Huth
2017-03-29 16:46         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-03-29 16:54           ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-29 16:58           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-29 21:42             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-30  8:04             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-03-28 17:18     ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating the -drive option is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) Kevin Wolf

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