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From: tsuna <tsunanet@gmail.com>
To: "H.K. Jerry Chu" <hkjerry.chu@gmail.com>
Cc: Hagen Paul Pfeifer <hagen@jauu.net>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru, pekkas@netcore.fi, jmorris@namei.org,
	yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org, kaber@trash.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tcp: Expose the initial RTO via a new sysctl.
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 07:48:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTimqtjskX5q2ovTp_c05MdqBDOWsRg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=p1V1x+y=-cH-Q7bvueu_4_D1ywQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 5:06 PM, H.K. Jerry Chu <hkjerry.chu@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yep, that's why we've had a knob for this for years.

I was traveling last week so sorry for not replying earlier to various
comments people made.

I talked to Jerry and he's agreed to share some patches that Google
has been using internally for years.  I started this work because
after leaving Google and taking these changes for granted, I was
surprised to find that they weren't actually part of the mainline
Linux kernel.

It seems that David is willing to accept a change that will lower the
initRTO to 1s (compile-time constant), with a fallback to 3s
(compile-time constant), as per the draft rfc2988bis.  Others are
legitimately worried about the impact this would cause in environments
where RTT is typically (or always) in the 1-3s range.  Some would like
to see this as a per-destination thing.

Personally what I think would be ideal would be:
  1. A sysctl knob for initRTO, to allow people to adjust this
appropriately for their environment.
  2. Apply the srtt / rttvar seen on previous connections to new connections.

Does that sound reasonable?

For 2), I'm not sure how the details would work yet, I believe the
kernel already has what's necessary to remember these things on a per
peer basis, but it would be nice if I could specify things like "for
10.x.0.0/16 (local datacenter) use this aggressive setting, for
10.0.0.0/8 (my internal backend network) use that, for everything else
(Internets etc.) use the default".

-- 
Benoit "tsuna" Sigoure
Software Engineer @ www.StumbleUpon.com

  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-31 14:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-17  7:40 [PATCH] tcp: Expose the initial RTO via a new sysctl Benoit Sigoure
2011-05-17  7:40 ` Benoit Sigoure
2011-05-17  8:01   ` Alexander Zimmermann
2011-05-17  8:34     ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-17  8:07   ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-17 11:02     ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2011-05-17 11:02       ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2011-05-17 12:20       ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-18 10:43     ` Benoit Sigoure
2011-05-18 19:26       ` David Miller
2011-05-18 19:40         ` tsuna
2011-05-18 19:52           ` David Miller
2011-05-18 20:20             ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2011-05-18 20:23               ` David Miller
2011-05-18 20:27                 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2011-05-20 10:27               ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2011-05-20 11:00                 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2011-05-20 11:00                   ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2011-05-20 12:37                   ` Alan Cox
2011-05-21  0:06                   ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2011-05-31 14:48                     ` tsuna [this message]
2011-05-31 15:25                       ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2011-05-31 15:25                         ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2011-05-31 15:28                         ` tsuna
2011-05-31 15:43                           ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2011-05-31 15:43                             ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2011-05-19  2:22             ` [PATCH] tcp: Implement a two-level initial RTO as per draft RFC 2988bis-02 Benoit Sigoure
2011-05-19  2:22               ` Benoit Sigoure
2011-05-19  2:36               ` David Miller
2011-05-19  3:56                 ` tsuna
2011-05-19  4:14                   ` David Miller
2011-05-19  4:33                     ` tsuna
2011-05-19  5:46                       ` David Miller
2011-05-19  6:36                         ` [PATCH] tcp: Lower the initial RTO to 1s " Benoit Sigoure
2011-05-19  6:36                           ` Benoit Sigoure
2011-05-19 17:42                           ` Yuchung Cheng
2011-05-19  6:47                         ` Benoit Sigoure
2011-05-19  6:47                           ` Benoit Sigoure
2011-05-19 20:16                           ` David Miller
2011-05-19  6:10                       ` [PATCH] tcp: Implement a two-level initial RTO " Alexander Zimmermann
2011-05-19  6:25                         ` tsuna
2011-05-19  6:36                           ` Alexander Zimmermann
2011-05-19  6:42                             ` tsuna
2011-05-19  6:52                               ` Alexander Zimmermann
2011-05-19  7:07                                 ` tsuna
2011-05-19  8:02                                 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2011-05-19  8:02                                   ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2011-05-19 16:40                                   ` tsuna
2011-05-19 16:55                                     ` Alexander Zimmermann
2011-05-19 17:11                                       ` tsuna
2011-05-19 19:27                                         ` David Miller
2011-05-19 20:30                                           ` tsuna
2011-05-20  2:01           ` [PATCH] tcp: Expose the initial RTO via a new sysctl H.K. Jerry Chu

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