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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: "Woodhouse, David" <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
	"Van De Ven, Arjan" <arjan.van.de.ven@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC] Retpoline: Binary mitigation for branch-target-injection (aka "Spectre")
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 08:18:57 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWRca6X9AbXn2b_p_mbY9gAws3LFwsDxWw5Vk9zDLAwbg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1515058213.12987.89.camel@amazon.co.uk>

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 1:30 AM, Woodhouse, David <dwmw@amazon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-01-04 at 01:10 -0800, Paul Turner wrote:
>> Apologies for the discombobulation around today's disclosure.  Obviously the
>> original goal was to communicate this a little more coherently, but the
>> unscheduled advances in the disclosure disrupted the efforts to pull this
>> together more cleanly.
>>
>> I wanted to open discussion the "retpoline" approach and and define its
>> requirements so that we can separate the core
>> details from questions regarding any particular implementation thereof.
>>
>> As a starting point, a full write-up describing the approach is available at:
>>   https://support.google.com/faqs/answer/7625886
>
> Note that (ab)using 'ret' in this way is incompatible with CET on
> upcoming processors. HJ added a -mno-indirect-branch-register option to
> the latest round of GCC patches, which puts the branch target in a
> register instead of on the stack. My kernel patches (which I'm about to
> reconcile with Andi's tweaks and post) do the same.
>
> That means that in the cases where at runtime we want to ALTERNATIVE
> out the retpoline, it just turns back into a bare 'jmp *\reg'.
>
>

I hate to say this, but I think Intel should postpone CET until the
dust settles.  Intel should also consider a hardware-protected stack
that is only accessible with PUSH, POP, CALL, RET, and a new MOVSTACK
instruction.  That, by itself, would give considerable protection.
But we still need JMP_NO_SPECULATE.  Or, better yet, get the CPU to
stop leaking data during speculative execution.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-04 16:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-04  9:10 [RFC] Retpoline: Binary mitigation for branch-target-injection (aka "Spectre") Paul Turner
2018-01-04  9:12 ` Paul Turner
2018-01-04  9:24 ` Paul Turner
2018-01-04  9:48   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-04  9:56     ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-04  9:30 ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-04 14:36   ` [PATCH v3 01/13] x86/retpoline: Add initial retpoline support David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 18:03     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-04 19:32       ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-04 18:17     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-04 18:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-04 18:36         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-04 19:27           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-05 10:28             ` Paul Turner
2018-01-05 10:55               ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-05 11:19                 ` Paul Turner
2018-01-05 11:25                 ` Paul Turner
2018-01-05 11:26               ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-05 12:20                 ` Paul Turner
2018-01-05 10:40         ` Paul Turner
2018-01-04 18:40       ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-05 10:32         ` Paul Turner
2018-01-05 12:54     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-05 13:01       ` Juergen Gross
2018-01-05 13:03         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-05 13:56       ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-05 16:41         ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-05 16:45           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-05 17:08             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-06  0:30               ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-06  8:23                 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-06 17:02                   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-07  9:40                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-07 11:46                       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-07 12:21                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-07 14:03                           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-08 21:50                             ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-08  5:06                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-08  7:55                   ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-05 17:12             ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-05 17:28               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-05 17:48                 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-05 18:05                 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-05 20:32                 ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-05 21:11                   ` Brian Gerst
2018-01-05 22:16                     ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-05 22:43                       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-05 22:00                 ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-05 22:06                   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-05 23:50                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06 10:53                     ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-04 14:36   ` [PATCH v3 02/13] x86/retpoline/crypto: Convert crypto assembler indirect jumps David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 14:37   ` [PATCH v3 03/13] x86/retpoline/entry: Convert entry " David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 14:46     ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-04 14:49       ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-04 14:37   ` [PATCH v3 04/13] x86/retpoline/ftrace: Convert ftrace " David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 14:37   ` [PATCH v3 05/13] x86/retpoline/hyperv: Convert " David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 14:37   ` [PATCH v3 06/13] x86/retpoline/xen: Convert Xen hypercall " David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 15:10     ` Juergen Gross
2018-01-04 15:18       ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 15:54     ` Juergen Gross
2018-01-04 14:37   ` [PATCH v3 07/13] x86/retpoline/checksum32: Convert assembler " David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 14:37   ` [PATCH v3 08/13] x86/alternatives: Add missing \n at end of ALTERNATIVE inline asm David Woodhouse
2018-01-05 13:04     ` [tip:x86/pti] x86/alternatives: Add missing '\n' " tip-bot for David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 14:37   ` [PATCH v3 09/13] x86/retpoline/irq32: Convert assembler indirect jumps David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 14:37   ` [PATCH v3 10/13] x86/retpoline/pvops: " David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 15:02     ` Juergen Gross
2018-01-04 15:12       ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-04 15:18       ` Andrew Cooper
2018-01-04 16:04         ` Juergen Gross
2018-01-04 16:37       ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-04 14:37   ` [PATCH v3 11/13] retpoline/taint: Taint kernel for missing retpoline in compiler David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 22:06     ` Justin Forbes
2018-01-04 14:37   ` [PATCH v3 12/13] retpoline/objtool: Disable some objtool warnings David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 14:37   ` [PATCH v3 13/13] retpoline: Attempt to quiten objtool warning for unreachable code David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 16:18   ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2018-01-04 16:24     ` [RFC] Retpoline: Binary mitigation for branch-target-injection (aka "Spectre") David Woodhouse
2018-01-05 10:49     ` Paul Turner
2018-01-05 11:43       ` Woodhouse, David

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