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From: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
To: Matthew Bobrowski <repnop@google.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] fanotify: Add pidfd info record support to the fanotify API
Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 12:01:52 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOQ4uxjeS43SHVB+1UvFnbE4UtMvmOSVHAD7fyxTDyXCi2zHUw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YKhTNCyQLlqaz3yC@google.com>

> > > > > > > > > You also forgot to add CAP_SYS_ADMIN check before pidfd_create()
> > > > > > > > > (even though fanotify_init() does check for that).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I didn't really understand the need for this check here given that the
> > > > > > > > administrative bits are already being checked for in fanotify_init()
> > > > > > > > i.e. FAN_REPORT_PIDFD can never be set for an unprivileged listener;
> > > > > > > > thus never walking any of the pidfd_mode paths. Is this just a defense
> > > > > > > > in depth approach here, or is it something else that I'm missing?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We want to be extra careful not to create privilege escalations,
> > > > > > > so even if the fanotify fd is leaked or intentionally passed to a less
> > > > > > > privileged user, it cannot get an open pidfd.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > IOW, it is *much* easier to be defensive in this case than to prove
> > > > > > > that the change cannot introduce any privilege escalations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have no problems with being more defensive (it's certainly better than
> > > > > > being too lax) but does it really make sence here? I mean if CAP_SYS_ADMIN
> > > > > > task opens O_RDWR /etc/passwd and then passes this fd to unpriviledged
> > > > > > process, that process is also free to update all the passwords.
> > > > > > Traditionally permission checks in Unix are performed on open and then who
> > > > > > has fd can do whatever that fd allows... I've tried to follow similar
> > > > > > philosophy with fanotify as well and e.g. open happening as a result of
> > > > > > fanotify path events does not check permissions either.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Agreed.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, because we had this issue with no explicit FAN_REPORT_PID
> > > > > we added the CAP_SYS_ADMIN check for reporting event->pid as next
> > > > > best thing. So now that becomes weird if priv process created fanotify fd
> > > > > and passes it to unpriv process, then unpriv process gets events with
> > > > > pidfd but without event->pid.
> > > > >
> > > > > We can change the code to:
> > > > >
> > > > >         if (!capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN) && !pidfd_mode &&
> > > > >             task_tgid(current) != event->pid)
> > > > >                 metadata.pid = 0;
> > > > >
> > > > > So the case I decscribed above ends up reporting both pidfd
> > > > > and event->pid to unpriv user, but that is a bit inconsistent...
> > > >
> > > > Oh, now I see where you are coming from :) Thanks for explanation. And
> > > > remind me please, cannot we just have internal FAN_REPORT_PID flag that
> > > > gets set on notification group when priviledged process creates it and then
> > > > test for that instead of CAP_SYS_ADMIN in copy_event_to_user()? It is
> > > > mostly equivalent but I guess more in the spirit of how fanotify
> > > > traditionally does things. Also FAN_REPORT_PIDFD could then behave in the
> > > > same way...
> > >
> > > Yes, we can. In fact, we should call the internal flag FANOTIFY_UNPRIV
> > > as it described the situation better than FAN_REPORT_PID.
> > > This happens to be how I implemented it in the initial RFC [1].
> > >
> > > It's not easy to follow our entire discussion on this thread, but I think
> > > we can resurrect the FANOTIFY_UNPRIV internal flag and use it
> > > in this case instead of CAP_SYS_ADMIN.
> >
> > I think at that time we were discussing how to handle opening of fds and
> > we decided to not depend on FANOTIFY_UNPRIV and then I didn't see a value
> > of that flag because I forgot about pids... Anyway now I agree to go for
> > that flag. :)
>
> Resurrection of this flag SGTM! However, it also sounds like we need
> to land that series before this PIDFD series or simply incorporate the
> UNPRIV flag into this one.
>
> Will chat with Amir to get this done.

Let me post this patch as a fix patch to unprivileged group.

Thanks,
Amir.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-22  9:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-20  2:09 [PATCH 0/5] Add pidfd support to the fanotify API Matthew Bobrowski
2021-05-20  2:10 ` [PATCH 1/5] kernel/pid.c: remove static qualifier from pidfd_create() Matthew Bobrowski
2021-05-20  2:10 ` [PATCH 2/5] kernel/pid.c: implement checks on parameters passed to pidfd_create() Matthew Bobrowski
2021-05-20  2:11 ` [PATCH 3/5] fanotify_user.c: minor cosmetic adjustments to fid labels Matthew Bobrowski
2021-05-20  2:11 ` [PATCH 4/5] fanotify/fanotify_user.c: introduce a generic info record copying function Matthew Bobrowski
2021-05-20 13:59   ` Amir Goldstein
2021-05-21  9:26     ` Matthew Bobrowski
2021-05-20  2:11 ` [PATCH 5/5] fanotify: Add pidfd info record support to the fanotify API Matthew Bobrowski
2021-05-20  8:17   ` Christian Brauner
2021-05-20 13:43     ` Amir Goldstein
2021-05-21  9:21       ` Matthew Bobrowski
2021-05-21  9:41         ` Amir Goldstein
2021-05-21 10:24           ` Jan Kara
2021-05-21 11:10             ` Amir Goldstein
2021-05-21 13:19               ` Jan Kara
2021-05-21 13:52                 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-05-21 15:14                   ` Jan Kara
2021-05-22  0:41                     ` Matthew Bobrowski
2021-05-22  9:01                       ` Amir Goldstein [this message]
2021-05-20 13:55 ` [PATCH 0/5] Add pidfd " Jan Kara
2021-05-21 10:15   ` Matthew Bobrowski
2021-05-21 10:40     ` Jan Kara
2021-05-21 23:32       ` Matthew Bobrowski
2021-05-24  8:47         ` Jan Kara
2021-05-25 10:31           ` Christian Brauner
2021-05-25 23:20             ` Matthew Bobrowski
2021-05-26 18:05               ` Christian Brauner
2021-05-26 22:54                 ` Matthew Bobrowski
2021-06-01 11:03                 ` Matthew Bobrowski
2021-06-01 11:46                   ` Christian Brauner
2021-06-02  6:30                     ` Matthew Bobrowski
2021-06-02  7:18                       ` Amir Goldstein
2021-06-02  8:48                         ` Christian Brauner
2021-06-02 10:56                           ` Matthew Bobrowski
2021-06-02 12:46                             ` Christian Brauner
2021-06-02 10:43                         ` Matthew Bobrowski
2021-06-02 12:18                           ` Amir Goldstein
2021-06-03  1:24                             ` Matthew Bobrowski

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