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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
Cc: Zach Brown <zach.brown@oracle.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-aio@kvack.org, Suparna Bhattacharya <suparna@in.ibm.com>,
	Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0 of 4] Generic AIO by scheduling stacks
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:35:09 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702101114220.8424@woody.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702101054250.8424@woody.linux-foundation.org>



On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> But that makes it impossible to do things synchronously, which I think is 
> a *major* mistake.
> 
> The whole (and really _only_) point of my patch was really the whole 
> "synchronous call" part. I'm personally of the opinion that if you cannot 
> handle the cached case as fast as just doing the system call directly, 
> then the whole thing is almost pointless.

Side note: one of the nice things with "do it synchronously if you can" is 
that it also likely would allow us to do a reasonable job at "self-tuning" 
things in the kernel. With my async approach, we get notified only when we 
block, so it'seasy (for example) to have a simple counter that 
automatically adapts to the number of outstanding IO's, in a way that it's 
_not_ if we do things at submit time when we won't even know whether it 
will block or not.

As a trivial example: we actually see what *kind* of blocking it is. Is it 
blocking interruptibly ("long wait") or uninterruptibly ("disk wait")? So 
by the time schedule_async() is called, we actually have some more 
information about the situation, and we can even do different things 
(possibly based on just hints that the user and/or system maintainer gives 
us; ie you can tune the behaviour from _outside_ by setting different 
limits, for example).

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-10 19:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-30 20:39 [PATCH 0 of 4] Generic AIO by scheduling stacks Zach Brown
2007-01-30 20:39 ` [PATCH 1 of 4] Introduce per_call_chain() Zach Brown
2007-01-30 20:39 ` [PATCH 2 of 4] Introduce i386 fibril scheduling Zach Brown
2007-02-01  8:36   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-01 13:02     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-01 13:19       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-02-01 13:52         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-01 17:13           ` Mark Lord
2007-02-01 18:02             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-02 13:23         ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 21:52       ` Zach Brown
2007-02-01 22:23         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2007-02-01 22:37           ` Zach Brown
2007-02-02 13:22       ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 20:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 10:49       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-02 15:56         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 19:59           ` Alan
2007-02-02 20:14             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 20:58               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-02 21:09                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 21:30               ` Alan
2007-02-02 21:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 22:42                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-02 23:01                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 23:17                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-03  0:04                         ` Alan
2007-02-03  0:23                         ` bert hubert
2007-02-02 22:48                   ` Alan
2007-02-05 16:44             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-02 22:21           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-02 22:49             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 23:55               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-03  0:56                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-03  7:15                   ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-03  8:23                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-03  9:25                     ` Matt Mackall
2007-02-03 10:03                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 17:44                     ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 19:26                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 19:41                         ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 20:10                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 20:21                             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 20:42                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 20:39                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 21:09                               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 21:31                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2007-02-06 20:25                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-06 20:46                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 21:16                                     ` David Miller
2007-02-06 21:28                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 21:31                                         ` David Miller
2007-02-06 21:46                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-06 21:50                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 22:28                                             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-06 22:45                                     ` Kent Overstreet
2007-02-06 23:04                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-07  1:22                                         ` Kent Overstreet
2007-02-06 23:23                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-06 23:39                                         ` Joel Becker
2007-02-06 23:56                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-07  0:06                                             ` Joel Becker
2007-02-07  0:23                                               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-07  0:44                                                 ` Joel Becker
2007-02-07  1:15                                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-07  1:24                                                     ` Kent Overstreet
2007-02-07  1:30                                                     ` Joel Becker
2007-02-07  6:16                                                   ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-07  9:17                                                     ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-07  9:37                                                       ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-06  0:32                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 21:21                               ` Zach Brown
2007-02-02 23:37             ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-03  0:02               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 17:12               ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 18:24                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 21:44                   ` David Miller
2007-02-06  0:15                     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 21:36               ` bert hubert
2007-02-05 21:57                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 22:07                   ` bert hubert
2007-02-05 22:15                     ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 22:34                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-06  0:27                   ` Scot McKinley
2007-02-06  0:48                     ` David Miller
2007-02-06  0:48                     ` Joel Becker
2007-02-05 17:02             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 18:52               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 19:20                 ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 19:38                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-04  5:12   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 17:54     ` Zach Brown
2007-01-30 20:39 ` [PATCH 3 of 4] Teach paths to wake a specific void * target instead of a whole task_struct Zach Brown
2007-01-30 20:39 ` [PATCH 4 of 4] Introduce aio system call submission and completion system calls Zach Brown
2007-01-31  8:58   ` Andi Kleen
2007-01-31 17:15     ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 17:21       ` Andi Kleen
2007-01-31 19:23         ` Zach Brown
2007-02-01 11:13           ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-01 19:50             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-02-02  7:19               ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-02  7:45                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 22:18             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-02  3:35               ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-01 20:26   ` bert hubert
2007-02-01 21:29     ` Zach Brown
2007-02-02  7:12       ` bert hubert
2007-02-04  5:12   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-01-30 21:58 ` [PATCH 0 of 4] Generic AIO by scheduling stacks Linus Torvalds
2007-01-30 22:23   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-30 22:53     ` Zach Brown
2007-01-30 22:40   ` Zach Brown
2007-01-30 22:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-30 23:45       ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31  2:07         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-31  2:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-31  2:46   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-31  3:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-31 10:50       ` Xavier Bestel
2007-01-31 19:28         ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 17:59       ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31  5:16     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-31  5:36     ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-31  5:51       ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-31  6:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-31  8:43         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-31 20:13         ` Joel Becker
2007-01-31 18:20       ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 17:47     ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 17:38   ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 17:51     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2007-01-31 19:25       ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 20:05         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2007-01-31 20:41           ` Zach Brown
2007-02-04  5:13 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-04 20:00   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-09 22:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-09 23:11   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-09 23:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-10 18:45       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-10 19:01         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-10 19:35           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2007-02-10 20:59           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-10  0:04   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-10  0:12     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-10  0:34       ` Alan
2007-02-10 10:47   ` bert hubert
2007-02-10 18:19     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-11  0:56   ` David Miller
2007-02-11  2:49     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-14 16:42       ` James Antill

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