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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	llvm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/15] x86: Add support for Clang CFI
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 23:21:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YXnC1jqwR2ZKfMdk@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202110270939.F5C79CC@keescook>

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:11:28AM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 03:04:55PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 02:48:52PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 02:22:27PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 14:05, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > Should not this jump-table thingy get converted to an actual function
> > > > > > address somewhere around arch_static_call_transform() ? This also seems
> > > > > > relevant for arm64 (which already has CLANG_CFI supported) given:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20211025122102.46089-3-frederic@kernel.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Ugh, yeah, we'll need to do the function_nocfi() dance somewhere...
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Sadly, that only works on symbol names, so we cannot use it to strip
> > > > CFI-ness from void *func arguments passed into the static call API,
> > > > unfortunately.
> > > 
> > > Right, and while mostly static_call_update() is used, whcih is a macro
> > > and could possibly be used to wrap this, we very much rely on
> > > __static_call_update() also working without that wrapper and then we're
> > > up a creek without no paddles.
> > 
> > Specifically, we support code like:
> > 
> > struct foo {
> > 	void (*func1)(args1);
> > 	void (*func2)(args2);
> > }
> > 
> > struct foo global_foo;
> 
> And global_foo is intentionally non-const?

Yep, since depending on the init function it can discover and stuff in
a wild variety of functions.

> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > DEFINE_STATIC_CALL_NULL(func1, *global_foo.func1);
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > __init foo_init()
> > {
> > 	// whatever code that fills out foo
> > 
> > 	static_call_update(func1, global_foo.func1);
> > }
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > hot_function()
> > {
> > 	...
> > 	static_cal(func1)(args1);
> > 	...
> > }
> > 
> > cold_function()
> > {
> > 	...
> > 	global_foo->func1(args1);
> > 	...
> > }
> 
> If global_foo is non-const, then the static call stuff is just an
> obfuscated indirect call.

It is not. The target is determined once, at boot time, depending on the
hardware, it then never changes. The static_call() results in a direct
call to that function.

> The attack CFI attempts to block is having
> a controlled write flaw turn into controlled execution. For example,
> in the above, an attacker would use a flaw that could aim a write to
> global_foo->func1, and then get the kernel to take an execution path
> that executes global_foo->func1 (i.e. through cold_function).

I know, and CFI works for cold_function.

> If static_call_update() accepts an arbitrary function argument, then it
> needs to perform the same validation that is currently being injected
> at indirect call sites to avoid having static calls weaken CFI.

static_call_update() is a macro and has compile time signature checks,
the actual function is __static_call_update() and someone can go add
extra validation in there if they so desire.

I did have this patch:

  https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20210904105529.GA5106@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net

but I never did get around to finishing it. Although looking at it now,
I suppose static_call_seal() might be a better name.

And you're worried about __static_call_update() over text_poke_bp()
because?

> Getting a "jump table to actual function" primitive only avoids the added
> jump -- all the CFI checking remains bypassed.

Exactly, so the extra jump serves no purpose and needs to go. Doubly so
because people are looking at static_call() to undo some of the
performance damage introduced by CFI :-)

> If static call function
> address storage isn't const, for CFI to work as expected the update()
> routine will need to do the same checking that is done at indirect call
> sites when extracting the "real" function for writing into a direct call.

I've mentioned static_call like a hundred times in these CFI threads..
if you want to do CFI on them, go ahead. I'm just not sure the C type
system is up for that, you'll have to somehow frob the signature symbol
into __static_call_update(), something like __builtin_type_symbol().

> To avoid all of this, though, it'd be better if static calls only
> switched between one of a per-site const list of possible functions,
> which would make it a much tighter hand-rolled CFI system itself. :)
> (i.e. it would operate from a specific and short list of expected
> functions rather than the "best effort" approach of matching function
> prototypes as done by Clang CFI.)

That sounds like a ton of painful ugly.


  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-27 21:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-13 18:16 [PATCH v5 00/15] x86: Add support for Clang CFI Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 18:16 ` [PATCH v5 01/15] objtool: Add CONFIG_CFI_CLANG support Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 18:59   ` Kees Cook
2021-10-14  0:44   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-10-14 10:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-14 19:20     ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 18:16 ` [PATCH v5 02/15] objtool: Add ASM_STACK_FRAME_NON_STANDARD Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 18:59   ` Kees Cook
2021-10-13 18:16 ` [PATCH v5 03/15] linkage: Add DECLARE_NOT_CALLED_FROM_C Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 19:00   ` Kees Cook
2021-10-15  2:51   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-10-15 15:35     ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-15 15:55     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-15 16:22       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-10-15 16:47         ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-15 17:34           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-10-15 17:57       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-15 18:42         ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-15 19:35           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-10-15 20:37             ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-16 21:12               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-10-18 17:08                 ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-15 22:17           ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-16 21:16             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-10-13 18:16 ` [PATCH v5 04/15] cfi: Add DEFINE_CFI_IMMEDIATE_RETURN_STUB Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 19:02   ` Kees Cook
2021-10-13 18:16 ` [PATCH v5 05/15] tracepoint: Exclude tp_stub_func from CFI checking Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 19:03   ` Kees Cook
2021-10-13 19:20   ` Steven Rostedt
2021-10-13 18:16 ` [PATCH v5 06/15] ftrace: Use an opaque type for functions not callable from C Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 19:04   ` Kees Cook
2021-10-13 19:20   ` Steven Rostedt
2021-10-13 18:16 ` [PATCH v5 07/15] lkdtm: Disable UNSET_SMEP with CFI Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 18:16 ` [PATCH v5 08/15] lkdtm: Use an opaque type for lkdtm_rodata_do_nothing Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 18:16 ` [PATCH v5 09/15] x86: Use an opaque type for functions not callable from C Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-14 11:21   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-14 16:07     ` Kees Cook
2021-10-14 17:31       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-14 18:24         ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-14 19:00           ` Nick Desaulniers
2021-10-14 18:47         ` Kees Cook
2021-10-14 18:52           ` Steven Rostedt
2021-10-14 19:06             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-10-13 18:16 ` [PATCH v5 10/15] x86/purgatory: Disable CFI Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 19:05   ` Kees Cook
2021-10-13 18:16 ` [PATCH v5 11/15] x86, relocs: Ignore __typeid__ relocations Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 18:16 ` [PATCH v5 12/15] x86, module: " Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 18:55   ` Kees Cook
2021-10-13 18:16 ` [PATCH v5 13/15] x86, cpu: Use LTO for cpu.c with CFI Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 18:16 ` [PATCH v5 14/15] x86, kprobes: Fix optprobe_template_func type mismatch Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 18:16 ` [PATCH v5 15/15] x86, build: Allow CONFIG_CFI_CLANG to be selected Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-13 18:56   ` Kees Cook
2021-10-13 19:07 ` [PATCH v5 00/15] x86: Add support for Clang CFI Kees Cook
2021-10-19 10:06 ` Alexander Lobakin
2021-10-19 15:40   ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-21 10:27 ` Alexander Lobakin
2021-10-26 20:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-27 10:02   ` David Laight
2021-10-27 10:17     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-27 12:05   ` Mark Rutland
2021-10-27 12:22     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-10-27 12:48       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-27 13:04         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-27 13:30           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-10-27 14:03             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-27 14:18               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-10-27 14:36                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-27 15:50                 ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-27 15:55                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-10-29 20:03                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-30  7:47                     ` [PATCH] static_call,x86: Robustify trampoline patching Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-30  8:16                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-02 17:35                         ` Kees Cook
2021-11-02 18:15                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-15 13:09                         ` Rasmus Villemoes
2021-10-30 17:19                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-10-30 18:02                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-30 18:55                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-10-31 16:24                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-10-31 16:39                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-31 16:44                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-10-31 20:09                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-31 20:21                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-10-31 20:44                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-31 23:36                                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-11-01  9:01                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-01  9:36                                             ` David Laight
2021-11-01 14:14                                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-11-02 12:57                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-02 15:15                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-02 17:44                                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-11-02 18:14                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-02 18:17                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-02 18:18                                                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-11-02 21:48                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-02 18:10                                                 ` Kees Cook
2021-11-02 21:02                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-11-02 23:13                                                     ` Kees Cook
2021-11-03  0:20                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-11-03  8:35                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-03 10:01                                                           ` David Laight
2021-11-03 19:32                                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-11-02 21:19                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-11 12:15                       ` [tip: locking/urgent] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-30 19:07                     ` [PATCH v5 00/15] x86: Add support for Clang CFI Sami Tolvanen
2021-10-27 17:11           ` Kees Cook
2021-10-27 21:21             ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2021-10-27 22:27               ` Kees Cook
2021-10-28 11:09                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-28 17:12                   ` Kees Cook
2021-10-28 20:29                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-02 17:26                       ` Kees Cook
2021-11-01  4:13                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-10-27 12:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-27 12:55     ` David Laight
2021-10-27 13:17       ` Mark Rutland
2021-10-27 21:31         ` David Laight

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