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From: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: eric.dumazet@gmail.com, mst@redhat.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, dm-devel@redhat.com,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	edumazet@google.com
Subject: Re: [dm-devel] [PATCH v5] fault-injection: introduce kvmalloc fallback options
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:55:32 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1804261145140.21152__47834.9792691462$1524758023$gmane$org@file01.intranet.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1524756256.3226.7.camel@HansenPartnership.com>



On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, James Bottomley wrote:

> So you're shifting your argument from "I have to do it as a Kconfig
> option because the distros require it" to "distributions will build
> separate kernel packages for this, but won't do enabling in a non
> kernel package"?  To be honest, I think the argument is nuts but I
> don't really care.  From my point of view it's usually me explaining to
> people how to debug stuff and "you have to build your own kernel with
> this Kconfig option" compared to "add this to the kernel command line
> and reboot" is much more effort for the debugger.
> 
> James

If you have to explain to the user that he needs to turn it on, it is 
already wrong.

In order to find the kvmalloc abuses, it should be tested by as many users 
as possible. And it could be tested by as many users as possible, if it 
can be enabled in a VISIBLE place (i.e. menuconfig) - or (in my opinion 
even better) it should be bound to an CONFIG_ option that is already 
enabled for debugging kernel - then you won't have to explain anything to 
the user at all.

Hardly anyone - except for people who read this thread - will know about 
the new commandline parameters or debugfs files.

I'm not arguing that the commandline parameter or debugfs files are wrong. 
They are OK to overridde the default settings for advanced users. But they 
are useless for common users because common users won't know about them.

Mikulas

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-04-26 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 218+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-18 14:34 [PATCH] net: don't use kvzalloc for DMA memory Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 16:05 ` Eric Dumazet
2018-04-18 16:44   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 16:44   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 16:51     ` Eric Dumazet
2018-04-18 16:51     ` Eric Dumazet
2018-04-18 17:47       ` David Miller
2018-04-18 17:47         ` David Miller
2018-04-18 17:55         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 17:55         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 18:00         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-18 18:00           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-18 17:49       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 17:49       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 16:51     ` Eric Dumazet
2018-04-18 17:46     ` David Miller
2018-04-18 17:53       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-19 16:12         ` [PATCH] kvmalloc: always use vmalloc if CONFIG_DEBUG_VM Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-19 16:12         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-19 16:25           ` Eric Dumazet
2018-04-19 16:25             ` Eric Dumazet
2018-04-19 16:28             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-19 16:28             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-19 16:43           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-19 21:27             ` [PATCH] kvmalloc: always use vmalloc if CONFIG_DEBUG_SG Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-19 21:27             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-19 16:43           ` [PATCH] kvmalloc: always use vmalloc if CONFIG_DEBUG_VM Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-19 18:28           ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-19 18:28           ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-19 19:47           ` Andrew Morton
2018-04-19 19:47           ` Andrew Morton
2018-04-19 21:19             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-19 21:19               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-19 23:22               ` Andrew Morton
2018-04-19 23:22               ` Andrew Morton
2018-04-20 12:16                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-20 12:16                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-20 11:47           ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-20 11:47             ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-20 12:20             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-23 15:25               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-23 15:25               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-20 12:20             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-20 13:08           ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-20 13:08             ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-20 13:41             ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-20 13:41             ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-20 13:49               ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-20 13:49               ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-20 20:56                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-20 20:56                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-20 20:54             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-20 21:02               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-20 21:02               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-20 21:21                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-21 14:47                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-22 13:03                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-22 13:03                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-23 14:24                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-23 15:10                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-23 15:10                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-23 23:20                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-23 23:20                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-23 14:24                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-23 14:06                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-23 14:06                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-23 15:15                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-23 15:15                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24  0:06                         ` [PATCH v3] kvmalloc: always use vmalloc if CONFIG_DEBUG_SG Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24  0:06                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24  2:47                           ` David Rientjes
2018-04-24 11:04                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 11:04                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24  3:46                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-24  3:46                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-24 12:29                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 12:29                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 17:16                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-24 18:41                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 18:41                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-05-15  1:13                                   ` Joonsoo Kim
2018-05-15  1:13                                   ` Joonsoo Kim
2018-04-24 17:16                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-24 12:51                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 12:51                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 15:50                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 16:29                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 17:00                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 17:00                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 17:03                                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 17:03                                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 17:28                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 17:38                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 17:38                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-25 20:02                                         ` [PATCH] fault-injection: reorder config entries Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 20:02                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26  3:21                                           ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-26  3:21                                           ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-25 20:02                                         ` [PATCH v4] fault-injection: introduce kvmalloc fallback options Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 20:02                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 20:20                                           ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-25 20:20                                             ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-25 20:57                                             ` [PATCH v5] " Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 20:57                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 21:11                                               ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-25 21:11                                                 ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-25 21:18                                               ` David Rientjes
2018-04-25 21:22                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 21:22                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 22:17                                                   ` [dm-devel] " James Bottomley
2018-04-25 22:17                                                     ` James Bottomley
2018-04-25 22:42                                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 22:42                                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 22:49                                                       ` David Rientjes
2018-04-25 22:56                                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 22:56                                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 12:58                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-26 12:58                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-26 14:28                                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 14:28                                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 14:45                                                           ` [dm-devel] " James Bottomley
2018-04-26 14:45                                                             ` James Bottomley
2018-04-26 15:05                                                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 15:05                                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 15:24                                                               ` James Bottomley
2018-04-26 15:24                                                                 ` James Bottomley
2018-04-26 15:44                                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 15:44                                                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 15:44                                                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 15:59                                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 15:59                                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 16:07                                                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 16:07                                                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 18:49                                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 18:54                                                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 18:54                                                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 19:14                                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 19:14                                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 19:36                                                                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 19:36                                                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 19:45                                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 19:45                                                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 20:05                                                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 20:05                                                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 18:49                                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 16:07                                                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 18:58                                                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 18:58                                                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 19:05                                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 19:05                                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 15:59                                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 15:55                                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 15:55                                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka [this message]
2018-04-26 15:05                                                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 14:28                                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 22:42                                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 23:00                                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 23:00                                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 23:00                                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 23:08                                                       ` James Bottomley
2018-04-25 23:08                                                         ` James Bottomley
2018-04-26 14:55                                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 14:55                                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 14:55                                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 14:55                                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 15:22                                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 15:22                                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 15:22                                                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 18:58                                                         ` John Stoffel
2018-04-26 21:50                                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 21:50                                                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 22:21                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 22:52                                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 22:52                                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-27  8:25                                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-27  8:25                                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-27 10:20                                                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-27 10:20                                                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-27 23:20                                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-27 23:20                                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 22:21                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-30 18:27                                                             ` John Stoffel
2018-04-30 21:07                                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-05-02 13:38                                                                 ` John Stoffel
2018-05-03 17:40                                                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-05-03 17:40                                                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-30 21:07                                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 17:28                                     ` [PATCH v3] kvmalloc: always use vmalloc if CONFIG_DEBUG_SG Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 16:29                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 15:50                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24  0:25                         ` [PATCH] kvmalloc: always use vmalloc if CONFIG_DEBUG_VM Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 13:31                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 13:31                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 15:30                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 15:30                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 16:12                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 16:12                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 16:29                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 16:29                                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 16:33                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 16:33                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-05-02  0:36                                   ` Andrew Morton
2018-05-02  0:36                                     ` Andrew Morton
2018-05-02 13:33                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-05-02 13:40                                       ` [dm-devel] " John Stoffel
2018-05-02 13:33                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-05-03 17:32                                     ` [PATCH] " Mikulas Patocka
2018-05-03 17:32                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24  0:25                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-21 14:47                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-20 21:21                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-20 20:54             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 17:53       ` [PATCH] net: don't use kvzalloc for DMA memory Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 17:46     ` David Miller
2018-04-18 17:45   ` David Miller
2018-04-18 17:55   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-18 20:38     ` Eric Dumazet
2018-04-19  4:00       ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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