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From: Joao Moreira <joao@overdrivepizza.com>
To: Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@gmail.com>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	clang-built-linux <clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/15] x86: Implement function_nocfi
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 09:45:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b9686477-4673-f977-bfb6-3ec4cc9e63fa@overdrivepizza.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2812c98b-3b5a-7be5-9fd9-2a6260406a45@rasmusvillemoes.dk>


> Why not? In particular, I'd really like somebody to answer the question
> "why not just store a cookie before each address-taken or
> external-linkage function?".
>
FWIIW, this was done before (at least twice): First with grsecurity/PaX 
RAP (https://grsecurity.net/rap_faq) then with kCFI 
(https://www.blackhat.com/docs/asia-17/materials/asia-17-Moreira-Drop-The-Rop-Fine-Grained-Control-Flow-Integrity-For-The-Linux-Kernel-wp.pdf, 
https://github.com/kcfi/kcfi - which is no longer maintained).

At the time I worked on kCFI someone raised a concern regarding this 
cookie-based design being mutually exclusive to execute-only memories 
(XOM), what, if XOM is really relevant to someone, should be a valid 
concern.

Since design is being questioned, an x86/CET-specific third design for 
CFI was recently discussed here: 
https://www.openwall.com/lists/kernel-hardening/2021/02/11/1 -- I assume 
that, arch-dependency considered, this should be easier to integrate 
when compared to clang-cfi. Also, given that it is based on CET, this 
also has the benefit of constraining mispeculations (which is a nice 
side-effect).

Tks, Joao


  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-19 16:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-16 20:38 [PATCH 00/15] x86: Add support for Clang CFI Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 01/15] objtool: Find a destination for jumps beyond the section end Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-20 18:14   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-04-20 20:25     ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-20 22:55       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-04-20 22:58         ` Nick Desaulniers
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 02/15] objtool: Add CONFIG_CFI_CLANG support Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-20 19:47   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-04-20 20:45     ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 03/15] objtool: Add ASM_STACK_FRAME_NON_STANDARD Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 04/15] static_call: Use global functions for the self-test Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 21:37   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-17  0:16     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 05/15] x86: Implement function_nocfi Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 21:18   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-16 21:49     ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 22:02       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-16 22:06         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-16 22:14           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-16 22:20             ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-16 22:37               ` Kees Cook
2021-04-16 23:02                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-17 10:16                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-19 15:13                     ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 22:28           ` Kees Cook
2021-04-16 22:52             ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-16 22:58               ` Kees Cook
2021-04-16 23:40               ` Kees Cook
2021-04-17 23:19                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-17 23:53                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-18  0:11                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-18 16:17                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-18 22:57                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-19 15:20                           ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-19 15:26                       ` David Laight
2021-04-19 17:46                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-17 14:20             ` David Laight
2021-04-17 15:48               ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-19  8:40             ` Rasmus Villemoes
2021-04-19 16:45               ` Joao Moreira [this message]
2021-04-19 21:52               ` David Laight
2021-04-16 22:16         ` Kees Cook
2021-04-16 22:13       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 06/15] x86: Avoid CFI jump tables in IDT and entry points Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 22:26   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-16 23:56     ` Kees Cook
2021-04-17  0:02       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 07/15] x86/ftrace: Use function_nocfi in MCOUNT_ADDR Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 08/15] x86/extable: Do not mark exception callback as CFI Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 09/15] x86/alternatives: Use C int3 selftest but disable KASAN Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-17 11:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-19 15:26     ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-20  7:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 10/15] x86/purgatory: Disable CFI Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 11/15] x86, relocs: Ignore __typeid__ relocations Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 12/15] x86, module: " Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 13/15] x86, cpu: Use LTO for cpu.c with CFI Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 14/15] x86, kprobes: Fix optprobe_template_func type mismatch Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 15/15] x86, build: Allow CONFIG_CFI_CLANG to be selected Sami Tolvanen

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