From: Anthony Youngman <antlists@youngman.org.uk>
To: Phil Turmel <philip@turmel.org>,
ian_bruce@mail.ru, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BUG] non-metadata arrays cannot use more than 27 component devices
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 19:50:11 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f14b00ef-17bd-d9ee-6153-2e92b0ce11ae@youngman.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2d168cc1-cddc-5e0c-610b-97cbd08de621@turmel.org>
On 01/03/17 18:13, Phil Turmel wrote:
> On 03/01/2017 12:23 PM, Phil Turmel wrote:
>> I strongly disagree. This procedure, as shown, is an admin cock-up:
>>
>>> mdadm --build /dev/mdbackup --device-count 2 /dev/md/home missing
>>> ... hotplug sd-big ...
>>> madam /dev/mdbackup --add /dev/sd-big
>>> ... wait for sync to finish ...
>>> mdadm --stop mdbackup
>>> ... unplug sd-big ...
>
> One more point. The above is functionally identical in every respect
> to just:
>
> # dd if=/dev/md/home of=/dev/sd-big bs=1M
>
> Why are you bothering to --build an array?
>
Because - and this is a point the kernel guys seem to forget - the whole
point of having a computer system is TO RUN APPLICATIONS, not to run an OS.
As it is, you picked up on the fatal flaw I'd spotted, namely that if
"home" is mounted, "backup" is going to be corrupt :-( Defeating the
entire purpose of my idea, which was to back up a running system without
the need to take down the system to ensure integrity.
I work with a database that, not unreasonably, seeks to cache loads of
stuff in RAM. I've come across far too many horror stories of corrupt
backups because the database hadn't flushed its buffers to the OS, so
all the database files on disk were inconsistent, giving a corrupt
backup. So the idea was set up the mirror, flush/quiesce the database,
break the mirror, wake up the database. System disabled for a matter of
seconds.
It's all very well saying lvm was created with this in mind, but if the
system wasn't installed with this originally in mind, you're up a gum
tree. My home system is raid but not lvm, for example - how do I back up
the system while it's live? (In reality, I don't care :-)
IF it didn't have that fatal flaw, my idea would have been able to back
up any system. Oh well, it's flawed, time to drop it :-(
Cheers,
Wol
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-03-01 19:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-02-24 12:08 [BUG] non-metadata arrays cannot use more than 27 component devices ian_bruce
2017-02-24 15:20 ` Phil Turmel
2017-02-24 16:40 ` ian_bruce
2017-02-24 20:46 ` Phil Turmel
2017-02-25 20:05 ` Anthony Youngman
2017-02-25 22:00 ` Phil Turmel
2017-02-25 23:30 ` Wols Lists
2017-02-25 23:41 ` Phil Turmel
2017-02-25 23:55 ` Wols Lists
2017-02-26 0:07 ` Phil Turmel
2017-03-01 15:02 ` Wols Lists
2017-03-01 17:23 ` Phil Turmel
2017-03-01 18:13 ` Phil Turmel
2017-03-01 19:50 ` Anthony Youngman [this message]
2017-03-01 22:20 ` Phil Turmel
2017-02-27 5:55 ` NeilBrown
2017-02-28 10:25 ` ian_bruce
2017-02-28 20:29 ` NeilBrown
2017-03-01 13:05 ` ian_bruce
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