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From: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: push.default: current vs upstream
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:20:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <vpqy5qejbjl.fsf@bauges.imag.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7vlimegjw9.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> (Junio C. Hamano's message of "Mon, 02 Apr 2012 09:48:06 -0700")

Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:

> Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr> writes:
>
>> Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:
>>
>>> Obviously the
>>> former is much simpler to explain and understand, as people do not have to
>>> learn upstream tracking before doing their first "push".
>>
>> Again, this is simple only for people who never run "git pull" without
>> argument.
>
> If you are running "git pull" with what to pull and integrate, you know
> system much better than those who only use the canned "git pull without
> argument" settings, so customizing push.default should be easier for you
> than the real beginners whom we try to avoid confusing with the built-in
> default, no?

I don't understand what you mean, sorry.

I'll rephrase my point in case it wasn't clear. My claim is that a
beginner who want to run argumentless "git pull" has to understand where
his changes come from. So, he already has to understand what "upstream
branch" means to Git.

I agree that explaining "push.default=current" is easy alone, but once
you've taught "git pull", explaining that "git push" does something else
and why doesn't seem that easy to me. OTOH, once you understand "git
pull", explaining "push.default=upstream" should be as simple as "send
your changes where git pull would get them".

> Before saying "again", perhaps we should read and think about what the
> other side said.  I think [*1*] raises a good point.

> *1* http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/194175/focus=194470

I think this message precisely supports my claim: we focus the
discussion on "git push", without thinking on the big picture "git pull"
AND "git push". The message you point to does not talk at all about "git
pull".

-- 
Matthieu Moy
http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~moy/

  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-02 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-28 19:47 [ANNOUNCE] Git 1.7.10-rc3 Junio C Hamano
2012-03-29  9:52 ` Jeff King
2012-03-29 21:22   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-29 22:11     ` Jeff King
2012-03-30  1:54       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-30  7:13         ` push.default: current vs upstream Jeff King
2012-03-30 20:25           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-30 21:01             ` Jeff King
2012-03-30 21:28               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-30 21:53                 ` Jeff King
2012-03-30 22:15                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-30 22:20                     ` Jeff King
2012-03-30 23:12                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-31 22:49               ` Nathan Gray
2012-03-31 23:48                 ` Seth Robertson
2012-04-01  2:22                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-01  5:58                   ` Nathan Gray
2012-04-02  7:40             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-02 16:48               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-02 17:20                 ` Matthieu Moy [this message]
2012-04-02 18:40                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-02 18:58                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-02 19:47                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-02 20:40                         ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-02 20:50                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-02 21:02                           ` demerphq
2012-04-02 21:16                             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-04  7:57                               ` demerphq
2012-04-05 13:13               ` Jeff King
2012-04-05 16:46                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-06  7:15                   ` Jeff King
2012-04-06  7:44                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-06  8:00                       ` Jeff King
2012-04-06 17:41                         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-06 18:01                         ` Jehan Bing
2012-04-07  7:49                         ` Michael Haggerty
2012-04-07  7:51                           ` Jeff King
2012-04-07  8:40                             ` Andrew Sayers
2012-04-12  7:11                               ` Jeff King
2012-04-12 15:04                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-12 21:16                                 ` Andrew Sayers
2012-04-12 21:33                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-12 22:11                                     ` Jeff King
2012-04-12 22:59                                       ` Philip Oakley
2012-04-13 19:31                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-17 20:13                                     ` Andrew Sayers
2012-04-08  4:43                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-11 16:17                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-11 16:44                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-12  7:55                                 ` Jeff King
2012-04-12  8:09                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-12  8:14                                     ` Jeff King
2012-04-12  8:59                                       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-12 15:56                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-19 16:06                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-19 20:38                                             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-19 21:02                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-19 22:57                                               ` [RFC/PATCH 0/3] push.default upcomming change Matthieu Moy
2012-04-19 22:57                                                 ` [PATCH 1/3] push: introduce new push.default mode "simple" Matthieu Moy
2012-04-19 23:46                                                   ` Jeff King
2012-04-20 14:52                                                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-20 14:59                                                       ` [PATCH 0/4 v2] push.default upcomming change Matthieu Moy
2012-04-20 14:59                                                         ` [PATCH 1/4] Documentation: explain push.default option a bit more Matthieu Moy
2012-04-20 20:13                                                           ` Jeff King
2012-04-20 21:28                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-21  3:51                                                               ` Michael Haggerty
2012-04-21  4:08                                                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-21  5:01                                                                   ` Michael Haggerty
2012-04-21  5:42                                                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-20 14:59                                                         ` [PATCH 2/4] push: introduce new push.default mode "simple" Matthieu Moy
2012-04-20 20:33                                                           ` Jeff King
2012-04-22 16:24                                                             ` Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
2012-04-20 21:42                                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23  8:38                                                             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-20 14:59                                                         ` [PATCH 3/4] t5570: use explicit push refspec Matthieu Moy
2012-04-20 14:59                                                         ` [PATCH 4/4] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Matthieu Moy
2012-04-20 20:35                                                         ` [PATCH 0/4 v2] push.default upcomming change Jeff King
2012-04-22 11:05                                                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23  2:50                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23  8:37                                                         ` [PATCH 0/7 v3] " Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23  8:37                                                           ` [PATCH 1/7] Documentation: explain push.default option a bit more Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 15:20                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 19:00                                                             ` Philip Oakley
2012-04-23 19:11                                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 21:01                                                                 ` Philip Oakley
2012-04-23  8:37                                                           ` [PATCH 2/7] Undocument deprecated alias 'push.default=tracking' Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 15:21                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 17:10                                                             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2013-01-31 17:35                                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 19:07                                                                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-01-31 19:11                                                                   ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-01-31 19:58                                                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 19:41                                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 19:57                                                                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-01-31 20:01                                                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 20:11                                                                         ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-01-31 20:42                                                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 20:44                                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 20:04                                                                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-01-31 20:08                                                                       ` Matthieu Moy
2013-01-31 20:21                                                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 20:50                                                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 21:00                                                                           ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-02-01  1:15                                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2013-01-31 21:08                                                                         ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-01-31 20:41                                                                       ` Philip Oakley
2012-04-23  8:38                                                           ` [PATCH 3/7] t5528-push-default.sh: add helper functions Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 15:36                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 16:02                                                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 16:16                                                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 16:20                                                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 16:57                                                                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 17:09                                                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 16:42                                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 16:45                                                                     ` [PATCH 2/3] fixup! " Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 16:48                                                                     ` [PATCH 3/3] push: suggested updates to push configuration documentation Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23  8:38                                                           ` [PATCH 4/7] push: introduce new push.default mode "simple" Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 10:32                                                             ` Michael Haggerty
2012-04-23 11:20                                                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23 15:52                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-23 16:09                                                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23  8:38                                                           ` [PATCH 5/7] t5570: use explicit push refspec Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23  8:38                                                           ` [PATCH 6/7] push: document the future default change for push.default (matching -> simple) Matthieu Moy
2012-04-23  8:38                                                           ` [PATCH 7/7] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:49                                                           ` [PATCH 0/7 v4] push.default upcomming change Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:50                                                             ` [PATCH 1/7] Documentation: explain push.default option a bit more Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:50                                                             ` [PATCH 2/7] Undocument deprecated alias 'push.default=tracking' Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:50                                                             ` [PATCH 3/7] t5528-push-default.sh: add helper functions Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:50                                                             ` [PATCH 4/7] push: introduce new push.default mode "simple" Matthieu Moy
2012-04-25  1:53                                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-25 11:01                                                                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:50                                                             ` [PATCH 5/7] t5570: use explicit push refspec Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:50                                                             ` [PATCH 6/7] push: document the future default change for push.default (matching -> simple) Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24  7:50                                                             ` [PATCH 7/7] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Matthieu Moy
2012-04-24 19:28                                                             ` [PATCH 0/7 v4] push.default upcomming change Junio C Hamano
2012-04-19 22:57                                                 ` [PATCH 2/3] t5570: use explicit push refspec Matthieu Moy
2012-04-19 22:57                                                 ` [PATCH 3/3] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Matthieu Moy
2012-04-26  5:44                                                   ` [PATCH] t5541: warning message is given even with --quiet Junio C Hamano
2012-04-26  6:31                                                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-04-11  2:08                     ` [RFC/PATCH] Give better 'pull' advice when pushing non-ff updates to current branch Christopher Tiwald
2012-04-06 11:38                   ` push.default: current vs upstream Dmitry Potapov
2012-04-06 13:36                     ` demerphq
2012-04-06 18:03                       ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-04-06 18:48                         ` demerphq
2012-04-06 19:38                           ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-30 23:07           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-03 20:59             ` Jeff King
2012-04-03 21:04               ` Jeff King
2012-04-03 22:29               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-03 23:23                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-04-05 12:45                 ` Jeff King
2012-04-08 12:52           ` Felipe Contreras

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