From: Vinod Koul <vkoul@kernel.org>
To: Pierre-Louis Bossart <pierre-louis.bossart@linux.intel.com>
Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, tiwai@suse.de,
gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Ranjani Sridharan <ranjani.sridharan@linux.intel.com>,
broonie@kernel.org, srinivas.kandagatla@linaro.org,
jank@cadence.com, slawomir.blauciak@intel.com,
Sanyog Kale <sanyog.r.kale@intel.com>,
Bard liao <yung-chuan.liao@linux.intel.com>,
Rander Wang <rander.wang@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 09/17] soundwire: intel: remove platform devices and use 'Master Devices' instead
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 12:13:03 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200110064303.GX2818@vkoul-mobl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <32ae46a7-59ee-4815-270a-a519ff462345@linux.intel.com>
On 06-01-20, 08:51, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
>
> > > > > + /* let the SoundWire master driver to its probe */
> > > > > + md->driver->probe(md, link);
> > > >
> > > > So you are invoking driver probe here.. That is typically role of driver
> > > > core to do that.. If we need that, make driver core do that for you!
> > > >
> > > > That reminds me I am missing match code for master driver...
> > >
> > > There is no match for the master because it doesn't have an existence in
> > > ACPI. There are no _ADR or HID that can be used, the only thing that exists
> > > is the Controller which has 4 sublinks. Each master must be added by hand.
> > >
> > > Also the SoundWire master cannot be enumerated or matched against a
> > > SoundWire bus, since it controls the bus itself (that would be a chicken and
> > > egg problem). The SoundWire master would need to be matched on a parent bus
> > > (which does not exist for Intel) since the hardware is embedded in a larger
> > > audio cluster that's visible on PCI only.
> > >
> > > Currently for Intel platforms, the SoundWire master device is created by the
> > > SOF driver (via the abstraction in intel_init.c).
> >
> > That is okay for me, the thing that is bit confusing is having a probe
> > etc and no match.. (more below)..
> >
> > > > So we seem to be somewhere is middle wrt driver probing here! IIUC this
> > > > is not a full master driver, thats okay, but then it is not
> > > > completely transparent either...
> > > >
> > > > I was somehow thinking that the driver will continue to be
> > > > 'platform/acpi/of' driver and master device abstraction will be
> > > > handled in the core (for example see how the busses like i2c handle
> > > > this). The master device is created and used to represent but driver
> > > > probing etc is not done
> > >
> > > I2C controllers are typically PCI devices or have some sort of ACPI
> > > description. This is not the case for SoundWire masters on Intel platforms,
> >
> > Well the world is not PCI/ACPI... We have controllers which are DT
> > described and work in same manner as a PCI device.
> Both DT and PCI would use a DIFFERENT matching on the parent bus, not a
> matching provided by the SoundWire subsystem itself.
>
> >
> > > so even if I wanted to I would have no ability to implement any matching or
> > > parent bus registration.
> > >
> > > Also the notion of 'probe' does not necessarily mean that the device is
> > > attached to a bus, we use DAI 'drivers' in ASoC and still have probe/remove
> > > callbacks.
> >
> > The "big" difference is that probe is called by core (asoc) and not by
> > driver onto themselves.. IMO that needs to go away.
>
> What I did is not different from what existed already with platform devices.
> They were manually created, weren't they?
Manual creation of device based on a requirement is different, did I ask
you why you are creating device :)
I am simple asking you not to call probe in the driver. If you need
that, move it to core! We do not want these kind of things in the
drivers...
> > > And if you look at the definitions, we added additional callbacks since
> > > probe/remove are not enough to deal with hardware restrictions:
> > >
> > > For Intel platforms, we have a startup() callback which is only invoked once
> > > the DSP is powered and the rails stable. Likewise we added an
> > > 'autonomous_clock_stop()' callback which will be needed when the Linux
> > > driver hands-over control of the hardware to the DSP firmware, e.g. to deal
> > > with in-band wakes in D0i3.
> > >
> > > FWIW, the implementation here follows what was suggested for Greybus 'Host
> > > Devices' [1] [2], so it's not like I am creating any sort of dangerous
> > > precedent.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/greybus/es2.c#L1275
> > > [2] https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/greybus/hd.c#L124
> >
> > And if you look closely all this work is done by core not by drivers!
> > Drivers _should_ never do all this, it is the job of core to do that for
> > you.
>
> Please look at the code again, you have a USB probe that will manually call
> the GreyBus device creation.
>
> static int ap_probe(struct usb_interface *interface,
> const struct usb_device_id *id)
> {
> hd = gb_hd_create(&es2_driver, &udev->dev,
>
>
> static struct usb_driver es2_ap_driver = {
> .name = "es2_ap_driver",
> .probe = ap_probe, <<< code above
> .disconnect = ap_disconnect,
> .id_table = id_table,
> .soft_unbind = 1,
> };
Look closely the driver es2 calls into greybus core hd.c and gets the
work done, subtle but a big differances in the approaches..
> The master device probe suggested here is also called as part of the parent
> SOF PCI device probe, same as this USB example. I really don't see what your
> objection is, given that there is no way to deal with the SoundWire
> controller as a independent entity for Intel platforms.
--
~Vinod
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Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-12-17 21:02 [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 00/17] soundwire: intel: implement new ASoC interfaces Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-17 21:02 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 01/17] soundwire: renames to prepare support for master drivers/devices Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-17 21:02 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 02/17] soundwire: rename dev_to_sdw_dev macro Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-27 6:54 ` Vinod Koul
2019-12-17 21:03 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 03/17] soundwire: rename drv_to_sdw_slave_driver macro Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-27 7:00 ` Vinod Koul
2019-12-27 23:23 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-28 12:03 ` Vinod Koul
2019-12-17 21:03 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 04/17] soundwire: bus_type: rename sdw_drv_ to sdw_slave_drv Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-17 21:03 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 05/17] soundwire: intel: rename res field as link_res Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-17 21:03 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 06/17] soundwire: add support for sdw_slave_type Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-27 7:03 ` Vinod Koul
2019-12-27 23:26 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-28 12:05 ` Vinod Koul
2019-12-17 21:03 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 07/17] soundwire: slave: move uevent handling to slave device level Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-17 21:03 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 08/17] soundwire: add initial definitions for sdw_master_device Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-27 7:14 ` Vinod Koul
2019-12-27 23:38 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-28 12:09 ` Vinod Koul
2020-01-02 17:36 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-01-06 5:32 ` Vinod Koul
2019-12-17 21:03 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 09/17] soundwire: intel: remove platform devices and use 'Master Devices' instead Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-27 9:08 ` Vinod Koul
2019-12-28 0:13 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-01-06 5:42 ` Vinod Koul
2020-01-06 14:51 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-01-10 6:43 ` Vinod Koul [this message]
2020-01-10 16:08 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-01-13 5:18 ` Vinod Koul
2020-01-13 15:22 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-01-14 6:09 ` Vinod Koul
2020-01-14 16:01 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-01-18 7:12 ` Vinod Koul
2020-01-21 17:31 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-01-28 10:50 ` Vinod Koul
2020-01-28 16:02 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-01-29 5:08 ` Vinod Koul
2020-01-29 14:59 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-02-03 12:02 ` Vinod Koul
2019-12-17 21:03 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 10/17] soundwire: register master device driver Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-17 21:03 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 11/17] soundwire: intel: add prepare support in sdw dai driver Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-17 21:03 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 12/17] soundwire: intel: add trigger " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-17 21:03 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 13/17] soundwire: intel: add sdw_stream_setup helper for .startup callback Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-17 21:03 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 14/17] soundwire: intel: free all resources on hw_free() Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-17 21:03 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 15/17] soundwire: intel_init: add implementation of sdw_intel_enable_irq() Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-17 21:03 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 16/17] soundwire: intel_init: use EXPORT_SYMBOL_NS Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-12-17 21:03 ` [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 17/17] soundwire: intel: " Pierre-Louis Bossart
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