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h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=ep+U3ZYXpUWinPA5Hc+8RKPJnfJxodtCp5s4optfYPNL71RbeiHZhHgoKLeZngHH2 BUF3Y9hCKiUYuZ344WcYNoS3Q33zSA9VdtEFmriCZl9LWAvNJIzGB51NXwGxPtjzns mu44JlAo4REfkKOd651zOpcHIntVhTr/Ns0BdYvE= Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2020 11:08:55 +0200 From: Greg KH To: "Ertman, David M" Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] Ancillary bus implementation and SOF multi-client support Message-ID: <20201003090855.GD114893@kroah.com> References: <20200930225051.889607-1-david.m.ertman@intel.com> <20201001071403.GC31191@kroah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Cc: "alsa-devel@alsa-project.org" , "tiwai@suse.de" , "Sridharan, Ranjani" , "pierre-louis.bossart@linux.intel.com" , "broonie@kernel.org" , "parav@nvidia.com" , "jgg@nvidia.com" X-BeenThere: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Alsa-devel mailing list for ALSA developers - http://www.alsa-project.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org Sender: "Alsa-devel" On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 08:23:49PM +0000, Ertman, David M wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg KH > > Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 12:14 AM > > To: Ertman, David M > > Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org; tiwai@suse.de; broonie@kernel.org; pierre- > > louis.bossart@linux.intel.com; Sridharan, Ranjani > > ; jgg@nvidia.com; parav@nvidia.com > > Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] Ancillary bus implementation and SOF multi-client > > support > > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 03:50:45PM -0700, Dave Ertman wrote: > > > The ancillary bus (then known as virtual bus) was originally submitted > > > along with implementation code for the ice driver and irdma drive, > > > causing the complication of also having dependencies in the rdma tree. > > > This new submission is utilizing an ancillary bus consumer in only the > > > sound driver tree to create the initial implementation and a single > > > user. > > > > So this will not work for the ice driver and/or irdma drivers? It would > > be great to see how they work for this as well as getting those > > maintainers to review and sign off on this implementation as well. > > Don't ignore those developers, that's a bit "odd", don't you think? > > > > To drop them from the review process is actually kind of rude, what > > happens if this gets merged without their input? > > > > And the name, why was it changed and what does it mean? For non-native > > english speakers this is going to be rough, given that I as a native > > english speaker had to go look up the word in a dictionary to fully > > understand what you are trying to do with that name. > > Through our internal review process, objections were raised on naming the > new bus virtual bus. The main objection was that virtual bus was too close to virtio, > virtchnl, etc., that /sys/bus/virtual would be confused with /sys/bus/virtio, and > there is just a lot of 'virt' stuff in the kernel already. We already have a virtual bus/location in the driver model today, has that confused anyone? I see this as an extension of that logic and ideally, those users will be moved over to this interface over time as well. > Several names were suggested (like peer bus, which was shot down because in > parts on the English speaking world the peerage means nobility), finally > "ancillary bus" was arrived at by consensus of not hating it. "not hating it", while sometimes is a good thing, for something that I am going to have to tell everyone to go use, I would like to at least "like it". And right now I don't like it... I think we should go back to "virtual" for now, or, if the people who didn't like it on your "internal" reviews wish to participate here and defend their choice, I would be glad to listen to that reasoning. thanks, greg k-h