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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	aalbersh@redhat.com, ebiggers@kernel.org,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, alexl@redhat.com, walters@verbum.org,
	fsverity@lists.linux.dev, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 18/26] xfs: use merkle tree offset as attr hash
Date: Thu, 9 May 2024 22:08:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zj2r0Ewrn-MqNKwc@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240509200250.GQ360919@frogsfrogsfrogs>

On Thu, May 09, 2024 at 01:02:50PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> Thinking about this further, I think building the merkle tree becomes a
> lot more difficult than the current design.  At first I thought of
> reserving a static partition in the attr fork address range, but got
> bogged donw in figuring out how big the static partition has to be.
> 
> Downthread I realized that the maximum size of a merkle tree is actually
> ULONG_MAX blocks, which means that on a 64-bit machine there effectively
> is no limit.

Do we care about using up the limit?  Remember that in ext4/f2fs
the merkle tree is stored in what XFS calls the data fork,
so the file data plus the merkle tree have to fit into the size
limit, be that S64_MAX or lower limit imposed by the page cache.
And besides being the limit imposed by the current most common
implementation (I haven't checked btrfs as the only other one),
that does seem like a pretty reasonable one.

> That led me to the idea of dynamic partitioning, where we find a sparse
> part of the attr fork fileoff range and use that.  That burns a lot less
> address range but means that we cannot elide merkle tree blocks that
> contain entirely hash(zeroes) because elided blocks become sparse holes
> in the attr fork, and xfs_bmap_first_unused can still find those holes.

xfs_bmap_first_unused currently finds them.  It should not as it's
callers are limited to 32-bit addressing.  I'll send a patch to make
that clear. 

> Setting even /that/ aside, how would we allocate/map the range?

IFF we stick to a static range (which I think still make sense),
that range would be statically reserved and should exist if the
VERITY bit is set on the inode, and the size is calculated from
the file size.  If not we'd indeed need to record the mapping
somewhere, and an attr would be the right place.  It still feels
like going down a rabit hole for no obvious benefit to me.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-10  5:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-30  3:11 [PATCHBOMB v5.6] fs-verity support for XFS Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:18 ` [PATCHSET v5.6 1/2] fs-verity: support merkle tree access by blocks Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:19   ` [PATCH 01/18] fs: add FS_XFLAG_VERITY for verity files Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:19   ` [PATCH 02/18] fsverity: pass tree_blocksize to end_enable_verity() Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:20   ` [PATCH 03/18] fsverity: convert verification to use byte instead of page offsets Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-01  7:33     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-01 22:33       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-02  0:42         ` Eric Biggers
2024-05-08 20:14           ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:20   ` [PATCH 04/18] fsverity: support block-based Merkle tree caching Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-01  7:36     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-01 22:35       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-02  4:42         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-15  2:16           ` Eric Biggers
2024-04-30  3:20   ` [PATCH 05/18] fsverity: pass the merkle tree block level to fsverity_read_merkle_tree_block Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:20   ` [PATCH 06/18] fsverity: add per-sb workqueue for post read processing Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:21   ` [PATCH 07/18] fsverity: add tracepoints Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:21   ` [PATCH 08/18] fsverity: pass the new tree size and block size to ->begin_enable_verity Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:21   ` [PATCH 09/18] fsverity: expose merkle tree geometry to callers Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:22   ` [PATCH 10/18] fsverity: box up the write_merkle_tree_block parameters too Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:22   ` [PATCH 11/18] fsverity: pass the zero-hash value to the implementation Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:22   ` [PATCH 12/18] fsverity: report validation errors back to the filesystem Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:22   ` [PATCH 13/18] fsverity: pass super_block to fsverity_enqueue_verify_work Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:23   ` [PATCH 14/18] ext4: use a per-superblock fsverity workqueue Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:23   ` [PATCH 15/18] f2fs: " Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:23   ` [PATCH 16/18] btrfs: " Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:23   ` [PATCH 17/18] fsverity: remove system-wide workqueue Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:24   ` [PATCH 18/18] iomap: integrate fs-verity verification into iomap's read path Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-01  7:10     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-01 22:37       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:18 ` [PATCHSET v5.6 2/2] xfs: fs-verity support Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:24   ` [PATCH 01/26] xfs: use unsigned ints for non-negative quantities in xfs_attr_remote.c Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-01  6:55     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-01 22:39       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-02  4:56         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-02  5:56         ` Chandan Babu R
2024-05-02  6:34           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-04-30  3:24   ` [PATCH 02/26] xfs: turn XFS_ATTR3_RMT_BUF_SPACE into a function Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-01  6:55     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-04-30  3:24   ` [PATCH 03/26] xfs: create a helper to compute the blockcount of a max sized remote value Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-01  6:56     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-04-30  3:25   ` [PATCH 04/26] xfs: minor cleanups of xfs_attr3_rmt_blocks Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-01  6:56     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-04-30  3:25   ` [PATCH 05/26] xfs: use an empty transaction to protect xfs_attr_get from deadlocks Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-01  6:57     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-01 22:42       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:25   ` [PATCH 06/26] xfs: add attribute type for fs-verity Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:25   ` [PATCH 07/26] xfs: do not use xfs_attr3_rmt_hdr for remote verity value blocks Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:26   ` [PATCH 08/26] xfs: add fs-verity ro-compat flag Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:26   ` [PATCH 09/26] xfs: add inode on-disk VERITY flag Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:26   ` [PATCH 10/26] xfs: initialize fs-verity on file open and cleanup on inode destruction Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:26   ` [PATCH 11/26] xfs: don't allow to enable DAX on fs-verity sealed inode Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:27   ` [PATCH 12/26] xfs: disable direct read path for fs-verity files Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:27   ` [PATCH 13/26] xfs: widen flags argument to the xfs_iflags_* helpers Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-01  6:54     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-01 22:44       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:27   ` [PATCH 14/26] xfs: add fs-verity support Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:28   ` [PATCH 15/26] xfs: create a per-mount shrinker for verity inodes merkle tree blocks Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:28   ` [PATCH 16/26] xfs: shrink verity blob cache Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:28   ` [PATCH 17/26] xfs: don't store trailing zeroes of merkle tree blocks Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:28   ` [PATCH 18/26] xfs: use merkle tree offset as attr hash Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-01  6:53     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-01  7:23       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-07 21:24         ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-08 11:47           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-08 20:26             ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-09  5:02               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-09 20:02                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-10  5:08                   ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2024-05-10  6:20                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-17 17:17                       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-20 12:39                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-20 16:02                           ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-22 14:37                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-22 18:29                               ` Eric Biggers
2024-05-09 17:46               ` Eric Biggers
2024-05-09 18:04                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-09 18:36                   ` Eric Biggers
2024-04-30  3:29   ` [PATCH 19/26] xfs: don't bother storing merkle tree blocks for zeroed data blocks Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-01  6:47     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-01 22:47       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-02  0:01         ` Eric Biggers
2024-05-08 20:26           ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:29   ` [PATCH 20/26] xfs: add fs-verity ioctls Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:29   ` [PATCH 21/26] xfs: advertise fs-verity being available on filesystem Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:29   ` [PATCH 22/26] xfs: check and repair the verity inode flag state Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:30   ` [PATCH 23/26] xfs: teach online repair to evaluate fsverity xattrs Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:30   ` [PATCH 24/26] xfs: report verity failures through the health system Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:30   ` [PATCH 25/26] xfs: make it possible to disable fsverity Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-01  6:48     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-01 22:50       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-02  0:15         ` Eric Biggers
2024-05-08 20:31           ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-09  5:04             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-09 14:45               ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-09 15:06                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-09 15:09                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-09 15:13                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-09 15:43                       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-17 19:36                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-04-30  3:30   ` [PATCH 26/26] xfs: enable ro-compat fs-verity flag Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:19 ` [PATCHSET v5.6] xfsprogs: fs-verity support for XFS Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:31   ` [PATCH 01/38] fs: add FS_XFLAG_VERITY for verity files Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:31   ` [PATCH 02/38] xfs: use unsigned ints for non-negative quantities in xfs_attr_remote.c Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:31   ` [PATCH 03/38] xfs: turn XFS_ATTR3_RMT_BUF_SPACE into a function Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:31   ` [PATCH 04/38] xfs: create a helper to compute the blockcount of a max sized remote value Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:32   ` [PATCH 05/38] xfs: minor cleanups of xfs_attr3_rmt_blocks Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:32   ` [PATCH 06/38] xfs: use an empty transaction to protect xfs_attr_get from deadlocks Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:32   ` [PATCH 07/38] xfs: add attribute type for fs-verity Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:32   ` [PATCH 08/38] xfs: do not use xfs_attr3_rmt_hdr for remote verity value blocks Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:33   ` [PATCH 09/38] xfs: add fs-verity ro-compat flag Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:33   ` [PATCH 10/38] xfs: add inode on-disk VERITY flag Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:33   ` [PATCH 11/38] xfs: add fs-verity support Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:34   ` [PATCH 12/38] xfs: use merkle tree offset as attr hash Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:34   ` [PATCH 13/38] xfs: advertise fs-verity being available on filesystem Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:34   ` [PATCH 14/38] xfs: report verity failures through the health system Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:34   ` [PATCH 15/38] xfs: enable ro-compat fs-verity flag Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:35   ` [PATCH 16/38] libfrog: add fsverity to xfs_report_geom output Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:35   ` [PATCH 17/38] xfs_db: introduce attr_modify command Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:35   ` [PATCH 18/38] xfs_db: add ATTR_PARENT support to " Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:35   ` [PATCH 19/38] xfs_db: make attr_set/remove/modify be able to handle fs-verity attrs Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:36   ` [PATCH 20/38] man: document attr_modify command Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:36   ` [PATCH 21/38] xfs_db: create hex string as a field type Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:36   ` [PATCH 22/38] xfs_db: dump verity features and metadata Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:36   ` [PATCH 23/38] xfs_db: dump merkle tree data Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:37   ` [PATCH 24/38] xfs_db: dump the verity descriptor Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:37   ` [PATCH 25/38] xfs_db: don't obfuscate verity xattrs Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:37   ` [PATCH 26/38] xfs_db: dump the inode verity flag Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:37   ` [PATCH 27/38] xfs_db: compute hashes of merkle tree blocks Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:38   ` [PATCH 28/38] xfs_repair: junk fsverity xattrs when unnecessary Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:38   ` [PATCH 29/38] xfs_repair: clear verity iflag when verity isn't supported Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:38   ` [PATCH 30/38] xfs_repair: handle verity remote attrs Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:38   ` [PATCH 31/38] xfs_repair: allow upgrading filesystems with verity Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:39   ` [PATCH 32/38] xfs_scrub: check verity file metadata Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:39   ` [PATCH 33/38] xfs_scrub: validate verity file contents when doing a media scan Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:39   ` [PATCH 34/38] xfs_scrub: use MADV_POPULATE_READ to check verity files Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:40   ` [PATCH 35/38] xfs_spaceman: report data corruption Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:40   ` [PATCH 36/38] xfs_io: report fsverity status via statx Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:40   ` [PATCH 37/38] xfs_io: create magic command to disable verity Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:40   ` [PATCH 38/38] mkfs.xfs: add verity parameter Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:19 ` [PATCHSET v5.6] fstests: fs-verity support for XFS Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:41   ` [PATCH 1/6] common/verity: enable fsverity " Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30 12:39     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2024-04-30 15:35       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:41   ` [PATCH 2/6] xfs/{021,122}: adapt to fsverity xattrs Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30 12:46     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2024-04-30 15:36       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:41   ` [PATCH 3/6] xfs/122: adapt to fsverity Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30 12:45     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2024-04-30 15:37       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:41   ` [PATCH 4/6] xfs: test xfs_scrub detection and correction of corrupt fsverity metadata Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30 12:29     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2024-04-30 15:43       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30  3:42   ` [PATCH 5/6] xfs: test disabling fsverity Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30 12:56     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2024-04-30 13:11     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2024-04-30 15:48       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30 18:06         ` Andrey Albershteyn
2024-04-30  3:42   ` [PATCH 6/6] common/populate: add verity files to populate xfs images Darrick J. Wong
2024-04-30 13:22     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2024-04-30 15:49       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-05-11  5:01   ` [PATCHSET v5.6] fstests: fs-verity support for XFS Zorro Lang
2024-05-17 15:56     ` Darrick J. Wong

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