From: "Philip Oakley" <philipoakley@iee.org>
To: "David Kastrup" <dak@gnu.org>,
"Michael J Gruber" <git@drmicha.warpmail.net>
Cc: "Christian Couder" <christian.couder@gmail.com>,
"Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>, "git" <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Promoting Git developers
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 18:32:24 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <57996D0058AA4535AA2B61662D7B3051@PhilipOakley> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87385emedc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org
From: "David Kastrup" <dak@gnu.org>
> Michael J Gruber <git@drmicha.warpmail.net> writes:
>
>> Christian Couder venit, vidit, dixit 07.03.2015 08:18:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 6:41 PM, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At some point of time I think it may be worth reevaluating the
>>>> toxic
>>>> atmosphere against freelancers doing Git development.
>>>
>>> My opinion on this is that the Git community has not been good
>>> especially lately at promoting its own developers.
>>>
>>
>> I guess we have at least 3 kinds of people here:
>>
>> A) Paid to do Git development, at least as part of their job.
>> B) Freelancers who don't get paid directly for "doing git" but hope
>> to
>> profit from their git efforts directly or indirectly.
>> C) Doing it in their freetime (or as minor, inofficial part of their
>> non-programming job).
>>
>> I'm in camp C and honestly wasn't aware of camp B until now.
>
> My guess is that camp B is dead and intentionally so. For the
> rationale, see for example
> <URL:http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/247165/>.
> It is considered tasteless to even mention camp B.
>
There seems to be some talking past each other going on.
A common problem [1] is that the apparent middle ground "B" is actually
split two ways, (because A and C are not opposites but embed different
ethos)
There maybe those B's who are well paid independent programmers, who are
able to choose how to use their spare time in the same manner as those
in "C".
And there are those who, like some of the "A"s , need some payment to
use their hours to the benefit of Git. This will be particularly true of
those who are not well remunerated from their independent work. If they
are giving up precious work time then they would at least hope for a
little acknowledgment.
To me it sounds as if Junio is thinking more of the former while David
is thinking of the latter. These misunderstandings are difficult to
resolve, or at least reconcile, without a proper understanding of the
root causes of the differences.
--
Philip
[1] This common problem is summarised in the Competing Values Framework
(CVF), which is usually applied to management philosophies, but is a
common styling in many disputes and misunderstandings.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-03-09 18:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-03-07 7:18 Promoting Git developers (was: Bashing freelancers) Christian Couder
2015-03-09 13:57 ` Michael J Gruber
2015-03-09 14:31 ` Promoting Git developers David Kastrup
2015-03-09 18:32 ` Philip Oakley [this message]
2015-03-10 7:45 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-10 11:51 ` Promoting Git developers (was: Bashing freelancers) Christian Couder
2015-03-10 17:23 ` Promoting Git developers Junio C Hamano
2015-03-11 1:04 ` Jason St. John
2015-03-11 2:13 ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-11 4:16 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-12 2:15 ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-12 4:53 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-12 7:45 ` Fredrik Gustafsson
2015-03-12 18:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-11 2:36 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-11 7:31 ` Jeff King
2015-03-11 7:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-11 7:54 ` Jeff King
2015-03-11 21:28 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-11 23:17 ` Andrew Ardill
2015-03-12 22:31 ` Jeff King
2015-03-12 22:36 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-12 22:43 ` Jeff King
2015-03-12 5:05 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-12 22:38 ` Jeff King
2015-03-12 22:58 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-15 9:12 ` Christian Couder
2015-03-11 13:53 ` Christian Couder
2015-03-11 20:42 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-15 8:46 ` Christian Couder
2015-03-15 22:18 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-15 22:43 ` Randall S. Becker
2015-03-16 9:10 ` Christian Couder
2015-03-16 9:20 ` David Kastrup
2015-03-16 17:06 ` Stefan Beller
2015-03-17 20:08 ` Christian Couder
2015-03-17 20:16 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-16 23:39 ` David Lang
2015-03-17 5:25 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-17 5:56 ` David Lang
2015-03-17 20:15 ` Christian Couder
2015-03-17 9:43 ` Thomas Ferris Nicolaisen
2015-03-17 19:51 ` Christian Couder
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