From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@CS.UCLA.EDU>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <junkio@cox.net>,
Robert Fitzsimons <robfitz@273k.net>,
Alex Riesen <raa.lkml@gmail.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org, Kai Ruemmler <kai.ruemmler@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Try URI quoting for embedded TAB and LF in pathnames
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:56:12 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0510111346220.14597@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87slv7zvqj.fsf@penguin.cs.ucla.edu>
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Paul Eggert wrote:
>
> Yes, quite true. But we don't have to come up with something that's
> perfect in all cases, just something that's good enough to handle
> cases that we expect will be common in practice, in a world where
> UTF-8 is the preferred encoding for non-ASCII characters.
The thing is, I can almost guarantee you that any quoting in the high
characters is going to be _worse_ than no quoting at all.
Exactly because quoting as UTF-8 is the wrong thing when it isn't actually
UTF-8, and quoting as non-UTF-8 is the wrong thing when it _is_.
Not quoting at all, on the other hand, is unambigious. If you have a
mailer that corrupts your text stream (which-ever type it is), then it's
clearly the mailers problem. The _mailer_ at least has a chance in hell to
know what character set it is getting mailed as.
The other alternative is to quote _everything_ non-ASCII. That's
definitely reliable, but it's also unquestionably ugly as hell, especially
in the long run.
Yes, there are some complex quoting approaches you can do, which quote
things "correctly" (ie at a byte stream level) _and_ keep it valid UTF-8
at the same time.
For example, you can read it as a UTF-8 stream, but then quote things at a
byte level (ie if you quote one "character", you quote _all_ bytes in that
character). And you quote if:
- the UTF-8 _character_ is in the 0x80-0x9f control range
- any _raw_byte_ is in the 0x80-0x9f range (it might not be UTF-8)
- any _raw_byte_ is 0xfe-0xff (illegal UTF-8 character)
- misformed UTF-8 (non-shortest sequence, or just generally invalid
sequences with missing or wrong high bits)
but quite frankly, that's a pretty painful thing to write. The upside is
that it's easy to decode: you can _unquote_ it just as a byte stream.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-10-11 20:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-10-07 19:35 [RFC] embedded TAB and LF in pathnames Junio C Hamano
2005-10-07 23:29 ` Alex Riesen
2005-10-07 23:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2005-10-08 6:45 ` Alex Riesen
2005-10-08 9:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2005-10-08 13:30 ` [PATCH] Try URI quoting for " Robert Fitzsimons
2005-10-08 18:30 ` Junio C Hamano
2005-10-08 20:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2005-10-11 6:20 ` Paul Eggert
2005-10-11 7:37 ` Junio C Hamano
2005-10-11 15:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-11 18:03 ` Paul Eggert
2005-10-11 18:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-11 19:42 ` Paul Eggert
2005-10-11 20:56 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2005-10-12 6:51 ` Paul Eggert
2005-10-12 14:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-12 19:07 ` Daniel Barkalow
2005-10-12 19:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-12 20:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <87vf02qy79.fsf@penguin.cs.ucla.edu>
2005-10-12 21:02 ` Junio C Hamano
2005-10-12 21:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-12 21:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-10-12 21:15 ` Johannes Schindelin
2005-10-12 21:33 ` Junio C Hamano
2005-10-14 0:57 ` Paul Eggert
2005-10-14 5:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-12 21:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-14 0:16 ` Paul Eggert
2005-10-14 5:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-14 17:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-10-14 6:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2005-10-09 10:42 ` Junio C Hamano
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