From: Philip Oakley <philipoakley@iee.email>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/28] Use main as default branch name
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 00:30:18 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d81da6b9-02ee-dd38-3c94-3509f5e3cbf4@iee.email> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.2011190057370.56@tvgsbejvaqbjf.bet>
Hi Dscho,
On 19/11/2020 00:00, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
> Hi Philip,
>
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2020, Philip Oakley wrote:
>
>> An alternative in the other direction is to go with the 'not currently
>> on any branch' (detached at nowhere) but then require users to
>> deliberately create their first branch with their chosen name. This
>> moves the 'backward incompatibility' to a different place, which may be
>> easier to manage.
> It might be easier to manage for _us_, the Git developers. But every user
> who initializes a repository and wants to push now
Is this 'emerges fully formed' initialise & push really that common.
I'd be expecting a few add & commits prior to the push, so plenty of
time for deciding and creating the chosen branch. At least that was the
thought process...
> needs to take the extra
> step to give their unnamed branch
> ("detached HEAD" is _still_ confusing
> new users!!!) a name.
I'd only mentioned the detached head to keep the devs happy ;-) I'm
quite happy with a "not on any named branch yet" type message for normal
usage.
>
> That would be much more disruptive than choosing a "rather dull and
> boring" name instead of a rather racially-charged one.
"Main" is fine, but Junio had mention say "Primary" as being more
positive, but that is begging the question for the user. We should let
them chose.
Hence using the not greatly inspiring 'main' as a starter offering would
match that desire that the user should, ideally, make their own choice.
>
> And we promised to try to minimize the disruption to Git users.
...but we haven't said 'it' is an ignorable issue. There's still a lot
of old documentation and inertia to overcome.
>
> Ciao,
> Dscho
Philip
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2020-11-12 22:43 [PATCH 00/28] Use main as default branch name Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 01/28] t0060: preemptively adjust alignment Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 02/28] t[01]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 03/28] t2*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 04/28] t3[0-3]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 05/28] t3416: preemptively adjust alignment in a comment Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 06/28] t34*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 07/28] t3[5-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 08/28] t4*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 09/28] t5323: prepare centered comment for `master` -> `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 10/28] t5[0-4]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 11/28] t5503: prepare aligned comment for replacing `master` with `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 12/28] t550*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 13/28] t551*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 14/28] t55[23]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-13 10:02 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-13 14:18 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-16 20:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 15/28] t55[4-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 16/28] t5[6-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 17/28] t6[0-3]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 18/28] t64*: preemptively adjust alignment to prepare for `master` -> `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 19/28] t6[4-9]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 20/28] t7[0-4]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 21/28] t7[5-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 22/28] t8*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 23/28] t9[0-4]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 24/28] t9[5-7]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 25/28] tests(git-p4): transition to the default branch name `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 26/28] t99*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 27/28] tests: drop prereq `PREPARE_FOR_MAIN_BRANCH` where no longer needed Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 28/28] Change the default branch name to `main` Don Goodman-Wilson via GitGitGadget
2020-11-13 9:57 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-13 14:09 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-16 20:04 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-13 0:11 ` [PATCH 00/28] Use main as default branch name Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13 12:55 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-13 14:22 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-13 16:13 ` [RFC/PATCH] tests: support testing with an arbitrary default branch (sort of) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-13 19:14 ` Jeff King
2020-11-13 22:00 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-13 22:39 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-13 23:49 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
[not found] ` <nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.2011162118060.18437@tvgsbejvaqbjf.bet>
2020-11-18 13:32 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-18 14:16 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-20 11:36 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-20 16:00 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-18 15:56 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-19 9:32 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-19 19:35 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-22 19:07 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-19 10:46 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-14 0:25 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13 17:42 ` [PATCH 00/28] Use main as default branch name Felipe Contreras
2020-11-14 6:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-16 19:52 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-17 16:10 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-17 19:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-18 20:58 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 00/27] tests: use " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 01/27] t0060: preemptively adjust alignment Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 02/27] t[01]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 03/27] t2*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 04/27] t3[0-3]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 05/27] t3416: preemptively adjust alignment in a comment Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 06/27] t34*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 07/27] t3[5-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 08/27] t4*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 09/27] t5323: prepare centered comment for `master` -> `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 10/27] t5[0-4]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 11/27] t5503: prepare aligned comment for replacing `master` with `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 12/27] t550*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 13/27] t551*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 14/27] t55[23]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 15/27] t55[4-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 16/27] t5[6-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 17/27] t6[0-3]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 18/27] t64*: preemptively adjust alignment to prepare for `master` -> `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 19/27] t6[4-9]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 20/27] t7[0-4]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 21/27] t7[5-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 22/27] t8*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 23/27] t9[0-4]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 24/27] t9[5-7]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 25/27] tests(git-p4): transition to the default branch name `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 26/27] t99*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 27/27] tests: drop prereq `PREPARE_FOR_MAIN_BRANCH` where no longer needed Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 11:48 ` [PATCH v2 28/27] tests: run tests omitted by PREPARE_FOR_MAIN_BRANCH Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-18 23:56 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-19 19:30 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-20 13:09 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-20 18:08 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 00/28] tests: use main as default branch name Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 01/28] tests: mark tests relying on the current default for `init.defaultBranch` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 02/28] t0060: preemptively adjust alignment Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 03/28] t[01]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 04/28] t2*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 05/28] t3[0-3]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 06/28] t3416: preemptively adjust alignment in a comment Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 07/28] t34*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 08/28] t3[5-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 09/28] t4*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 10/28] t5323: prepare centered comment for `master` -> `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 11/28] t5[0-4]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 12/28] t5503: prepare aligned comment for replacing `master` with `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 13/28] t550*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 14/28] t551*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 15/28] t55[23]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 16/28] t55[4-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 17/28] t5[6-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 18/28] t6[0-3]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 19/28] t64*: preemptively adjust alignment to prepare for `master` -> `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 20/28] t6[4-9]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 21/28] t7[0-4]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 22/28] t7[5-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 23/28] t8*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 24/28] t9[0-4]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 25/28] t9[5-7]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 26/28] tests(git-p4): transition to the default branch name `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 27/28] t99*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 28/28] tests: drop prereq `PREPARE_FOR_MAIN_BRANCH` where no longer needed Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-19 23:35 ` [PATCH v3 00/28] tests: use main as default branch name Junio C Hamano
2020-11-17 20:48 ` [PATCH 00/28] Use " Eric W. Biederman
2020-11-17 22:47 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-17 23:33 ` Jeff King
2020-11-18 0:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-18 1:25 ` Jeff King
2020-11-18 2:40 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-11-18 5:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-18 11:32 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-18 15:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-19 9:22 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-18 0:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-18 1:22 ` Jeff King
2020-11-18 1:45 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-18 2:06 ` Jeff King
2020-11-18 2:39 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-11-18 10:12 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-18 9:04 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-17 22:55 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-17 23:16 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-18 0:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-18 0:51 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-18 23:45 ` Philip Oakley
2020-11-19 0:00 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-19 0:30 ` Philip Oakley [this message]
2020-11-19 0:30 ` Peter Hadlaw
2020-11-19 0:44 ` Philip Oakley
2020-11-19 0:55 ` Peter Hadlaw
2020-11-19 1:51 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-19 10:35 ` Philip Oakley
2020-11-19 11:10 ` Sergey Organov
2020-11-19 11:50 ` Philip Oakley
2020-11-19 12:33 ` Sergey Organov
2020-11-21 23:01 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-22 10:21 ` Sergey Organov
2020-11-22 11:20 ` Philip Oakley
2020-11-22 13:23 ` Sergey Organov
2020-11-22 20:18 ` Philip Oakley
2020-11-22 21:56 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-22 23:54 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-18 2:56 ` Jonathan Nieder
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