From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181AB1F404 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 11:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728077AbeH3Pry (ORCPT ); Thu, 30 Aug 2018 11:47:54 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:55201 "EHLO mout.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727499AbeH3Pry (ORCPT ); Thu, 30 Aug 2018 11:47:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.129] ([37.201.193.173]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lfjxq-1farsB0UY6-00pKPu; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:46:01 +0200 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:46:00 +0200 (DST) From: Johannes Schindelin X-X-Sender: virtualbox@gitforwindows.org To: Jeff King cc: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=86var_Arnfj=C3=B6r=C3=B0_Bjarmason?= , git@vger.kernel.org, Christian Couder Subject: Re: Git in Outreachy Dec-Mar? In-Reply-To: <20180830031607.GB665@sigill.intra.peff.net> Message-ID: References: <20180828151419.GA17467@sigill.intra.peff.net> <8736uxe2pm.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> <20180830031607.GB665@sigill.intra.peff.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.1 (DEB 209 2017-03-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Hw6VUiK+yvCRxEo65oC/Mo20IsaZ9+lgIykBy+37ptYCEyflgBJ foo4sAr6ZXsBNxPXBx4xYhoTbGeSBWprVyItTd2YZzC6jqRkPk2HAEq+SI6ci0zYw9tr2AI Em/YBJZcd0Geu4w/4PGbe9/bIxyXypdpZrXWB1+ahhEbkKD4WQ8yEt1fcNIgq9ZBjna1dk1 pwWu8xwE/To+uc2AgEzTQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:yQp/e5KLqJU=:lOPyn2puhEJIzGPUty3FVJ 4okaoUBkCJLd97NtRamVZmuZUG3x032uLYMrsuTjrpe/Rmc9Qs5usfjzsGqhxtWUNwNuSId2W FARTNHERU4bs0Jw0BGg70kiZtT2u4ckVzwL4QqS/JKo7MbBsngHfbagBTTlv8PI3En8CyF6cx Inx/2zTE6JTSWJ97bWV31oH5FRxemhvTVKUfjxr8HrzV+Ypr8qEHgRvfWU/kjX1LeJumMy5WU Gn72F8cvX7zpNbjUJAgh+4UNfvHBTIWiY+xCRpKmUQ+BYnMTMwApf23eqHvFEBN5jjuKGLB86 QbSg1jYE8IS907crIe00sbaGZ73K+yKqeKXbNpghjI75GcT0LTw5aO8fYjU9f7h70AbdhWlJU O5E2C6XUNfXL7VRPclhng9N0N2qVZ/AwlB8nm2/Vss/eK8ENPwc+VetEGtxJ+EXF56tvKYVM7 atc+8lnO0Dcage9CVr80XrKvfcKUTSCUeU7qsAR4sx/fvDYtzdg2lIdFgojmcuMsebZNwNoVb Qbch9GGCL1Aw0ujfmqd2PE6KIwYO0Lg5PsET+dT9kIOapuCIEl7RBqqTbAtZ0cF3jhuOzEU+N GCcj6efw106co8fnXAtEJjzfj05zKE4jZxEBArAgmqQjwS5ITWThDXP8yCVWWJul7CLmmfhSO p/JP2Snd82K677ezxcfDDqN0KSDp00TvM5gzpYo4IlQJPWRVL5VWelT/RAJhxQ6ltvr8vhBK8 2yg3jzTelK5JUcJjXWv63jKdEZSn0MqZvw5KXnjKMyIAgQq8bYmaJo3SFZAH6/aYX5fk9BJat cT+zBC5 Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Hi Peff, On Wed, 29 Aug 2018, Jeff King wrote: > - it naturally limits the candidate pool to under-represented groups > (which is the whole point of the program, but if you don't > actually care about that, then it's just a complication) > > So IMHO it's easily worth the trouble. I am willing to mentor, and the only reason that kept me from already stepping forward and trying to brush up the landing page is this concern: traditionally, we (as in: the core Git contributors) have been less than successful in attracting and retaining contributors from under-represented groups. I don't think any regular reader of this mailing list can deny that. And while I find it very important to reach out (there are just *so* many benefits to having a more diverse team), I have to ask *why* we are so unsuccessful. As long as we do not even know the answer to that, is it even worth pursuing Outreachy? I mean, if we make serious mistakes here, without even realizing, that directly lead to being stuck in our old bubble, then we are prone to simply repeat those mistakes over and over and over again. And that would just be a waste of our time, *and* a big de-motivator for the Outreachy students. What's your take on this? Ciao, Dscho