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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: "Matias Bjørling" <mb@lightnvm.io>,
	"javier.gonz@samsung.com" <javier@javigon.com>,
	"Damien Le Moal" <Damien.LeMoal@wdc.com>
Cc: Kanchan Joshi <joshi.k@samsung.com>,
	"viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"bcrl@kvack.org" <bcrl@kvack.org>,
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	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-aio@kvack.org" <linux-aio@kvack.org>,
	"io-uring@vger.kernel.org" <io-uring@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	"selvakuma.s1@samsung.com" <selvakuma.s1@samsung.com>,
	"nj.shetty@samsung.com" <nj.shetty@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] io_uring: add support for zone-append
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:20:32 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <26f41284-6e52-58d3-6119-8ed34511e5dc@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <317fa6b5-ce64-114e-b34d-2be7b50c24f1@lightnvm.io>

On 6/19/20 9:14 AM, Matias Bjørling wrote:
> On 19/06/2020 16.18, Jens Axboe wrote:
>> On 6/19/20 5:15 AM, Matias Bjørling wrote:
>>> On 19/06/2020 11.41, javier.gonz@samsung.com wrote:
>>>> Jens,
>>>>
>>>> Would you have time to answer a question below in this thread?
>>>>
>>>> On 18.06.2020 11:11, javier.gonz@samsung.com wrote:
>>>>> On 18.06.2020 08:47, Damien Le Moal wrote:
>>>>>> On 2020/06/18 17:35, javier.gonz@samsung.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18.06.2020 07:39, Damien Le Moal wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2020/06/18 2:27, Kanchan Joshi wrote:
>>>>>>>>> From: Selvakumar S <selvakuma.s1@samsung.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Introduce three new opcodes for zone-append -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    IORING_OP_ZONE_APPEND     : non-vectord, similiar to
>>>>>>>>> IORING_OP_WRITE
>>>>>>>>>    IORING_OP_ZONE_APPENDV    : vectored, similar to IORING_OP_WRITEV
>>>>>>>>>    IORING_OP_ZONE_APPEND_FIXED : append using fixed-buffers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Repurpose cqe->flags to return zone-relative offset.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: SelvaKumar S <selvakuma.s1@samsung.com>
>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Kanchan Joshi <joshi.k@samsung.com>
>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Nitesh Shetty <nj.shetty@samsung.com>
>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Javier Gonzalez <javier.gonz@samsung.com>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> fs/io_uring.c                 | 72
>>>>>>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
>>>>>>>>> include/uapi/linux/io_uring.h |  8 ++++-
>>>>>>>>> 2 files changed, 77 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> diff --git a/fs/io_uring.c b/fs/io_uring.c
>>>>>>>>> index 155f3d8..c14c873 100644
>>>>>>>>> --- a/fs/io_uring.c
>>>>>>>>> +++ b/fs/io_uring.c
>>>>>>>>> @@ -649,6 +649,10 @@ struct io_kiocb {
>>>>>>>>>      unsigned long        fsize;
>>>>>>>>>      u64            user_data;
>>>>>>>>>      u32            result;
>>>>>>>>> +#ifdef CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ZONED
>>>>>>>>> +    /* zone-relative offset for append, in bytes */
>>>>>>>>> +    u32            append_offset;
>>>>>>>> this can overflow. u64 is needed.
>>>>>>> We chose to do it this way to start with because struct io_uring_cqe
>>>>>>> only has space for u32 when we reuse the flags.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can of course create a new cqe structure, but that will come with
>>>>>>> larger changes to io_uring for supporting append.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you believe this is a better approach?
>>>>>> The problem is that zone size are 32 bits in the kernel, as a number
>>>>>> of sectors.
>>>>>> So any device that has a zone size smaller or equal to 2^31 512B
>>>>>> sectors can be
>>>>>> accepted. Using a zone relative offset in bytes for returning zone
>>>>>> append result
>>>>>> is OK-ish, but to match the kernel supported range of possible zone
>>>>>> size, you
>>>>>> need 31+9 bits... 32 does not cut it.
>>>>> Agree. Our initial assumption was that u32 would cover current zone size
>>>>> requirements, but if this is a no-go, we will take the longer path.
>>>> Converting to u64 will require a new version of io_uring_cqe, where we
>>>> extend at least 32 bits. I believe this will need a whole new allocation
>>>> and probably ioctl().
>>>>
>>>> Is this an acceptable change for you? We will of course add support for
>>>> liburing when we agree on the right way to do this.
>>> I took a quick look at the code. No expert, but why not use the existing
>>> userdata variable? use the lowest bits (40 bits) for the Zone Starting
>>> LBA, and use the highest (24 bits) as index into the completion data
>>> structure?
>>>
>>> If you want to pass the memory address (same as what fio does) for the
>>> data structure used for completion, one may also play some tricks by
>>> using a relative memory address to the data structure. For example, the
>>> x86_64 architecture uses 48 address bits for its memory addresses. With
>>> 24 bit, one can allocate the completion entries in a 32MB memory range,
>>> and then use base_address + index to get back to the completion data
>>> structure specified in the sqe.
>> For any current request, sqe->user_data is just provided back as
>> cqe->user_data. This would make these requests behave differently
>> from everything else in that sense, which seems very confusing to me
>> if I was an application writer.
>>
>> But generally I do agree with you, there are lots of ways to make
>> < 64-bit work as a tag without losing anything or having to jump
>> through hoops to do so. The lack of consistency introduced by having
>> zone append work differently is ugly, though.
>>
> Yep, agree, and extending to three cachelines is big no-go. We could add 
> a flag that said the kernel has changes the userdata variable. That'll 
> make it very explicit.

Don't like that either, as it doesn't really change the fact that you're
now doing something very different with the user_data field, which is
just supposed to be passed in/out directly. Adding a random flag to
signal this behavior isn't very explicit either, imho. It's still some
out-of-band (ish) notification of behavior that is different from any
other command. This is very different from having a flag that says
"there's extra information in this other field", which is much cleaner.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-19 15:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20200617172653epcas5p488de50090415eb802e62acc0e23d8812@epcas5p4.samsung.com>
2020-06-17 17:23 ` [PATCH 0/3] zone-append support in aio and io-uring Kanchan Joshi
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200617172702epcas5p4dbf4729d31d9a85ab1d261d04f238e61@epcas5p4.samsung.com>
2020-06-17 17:23     ` [PATCH 1/3] fs,block: Introduce IOCB_ZONE_APPEND and direct-io handling Kanchan Joshi
2020-06-17 19:02       ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-06-18  7:16       ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-18 18:35         ` Kanchan Joshi
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200617172706epcas5p4dcbc164063f58bad95b211b9d6dfbfa9@epcas5p4.samsung.com>
2020-06-17 17:23     ` [PATCH 2/3] aio: add support for zone-append Kanchan Joshi
2020-06-18  7:33       ` Damien Le Moal
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200617172713epcas5p352f2907a12bd4ee3c97be1c7d8e1569e@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2020-06-17 17:23     ` [PATCH 3/3] io_uring: " Kanchan Joshi
2020-06-17 18:55       ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-06-18  7:39       ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-18  8:35         ` javier.gonz@samsung.com
2020-06-18  8:47           ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-18  9:11             ` javier.gonz@samsung.com
2020-06-19  9:41               ` javier.gonz@samsung.com
2020-06-19 11:15                 ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-19 14:18                   ` Jens Axboe
2020-06-19 15:14                     ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-19 15:20                       ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2020-06-19 15:40                         ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-19 15:44                           ` Jens Axboe
2020-06-21 18:55                             ` javier.gonz@samsung.com
2020-06-19 14:15                 ` Jens Axboe
2020-06-19 14:59                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-06-19 15:02                     ` Jens Axboe
2020-06-21 18:52                       ` javier.gonz@samsung.com
2020-06-17 17:42   ` [PATCH 0/3] zone-append support in aio and io-uring Matthew Wilcox
2020-06-18  6:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-06-18  8:29     ` Javier González
2020-06-18 17:52     ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-06-19  3:08       ` Damien Le Moal
2020-06-19  7:56       ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-06-18  8:04   ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-18  8:27     ` Javier González
2020-06-18  8:32       ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-18  8:39         ` Javier González
2020-06-18  8:46           ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-18 14:16     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-06-18 19:21     ` Kanchan Joshi
2020-06-18 20:04       ` Matias Bjørling
2020-06-19  1:03         ` Damien Le Moal

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