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From: Lennart Poettering <mzxreary@0pointer.de>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net>, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	dray@redhat.com, Karel Zak <kzak@redhat.com>,
	Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@redhat.com>,
	Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
	andres@anarazel.de, keyrings@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@cyphar.com>
Subject: Re: Upcoming: Notifications, FS notifications and fsinfo()
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:50:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200402155020.GA31715@gardel-login> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJfpegum_PsCfnar8+V2f_VO3k8CJN1LOFJV5OkHRDbQKR=EHg@mail.gmail.com>

On Do, 02.04.20 17:35, Miklos Szeredi (miklos@szeredi.hu) wrote:

> > systemd cares about all mount points in PID1's mount namespace.
> >
> > The fact that mount tables can grow large is why we want something
> > better than constantly reparsing the whole /proc/self/mountinfo. But
> > filtering subsets of that is something we don't really care about.
>
> I can accept that, but you haven't given a reason why that's so.
>
> What does it do with the fact that an automount point was crossed, for
> example?  How does that affect the operation of systemd?

We don't care how a mount point came to be. If it's autofs or
something else, we don't care. We don't access these mount points
ourselves ever, we just watch their existance.

I mean, it's not just about startup it's also about shutdown. At
shutdown we need to unmount everything from the leaves towards the
root so that all file systems are in a clean state. And that means
*all* mounts, even autofs ones, even udisks ones, or whatever else
established them, we don't care. I mean, the autofs daemon can die any
time, we still must be able to sensibly shutdown, and thus unmount all
mounts inside some autofs hierarchy at the right time, before
unmounting the autofs top-level dir and then what might be further up
the tree.

systemd needs to know the whole tree, to figure out deps properly for
things like that, hence we aren't interested in filtering, we are
interested in minimizing what we do when something changes.

Lennart

--
Lennart Poettering, Berlin

  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-02 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-30 13:58 Upcoming: Notifications, FS notifications and fsinfo() David Howells
2020-03-30 14:31 ` [GIT PULL] General notification queue and key notifications David Howells
2020-03-31  6:51   ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-06-02 15:55   ` David Howells
2020-06-03  2:15     ` Ian Kent
2020-06-08  0:49       ` Ian Kent
2020-06-10  9:56     ` Christian Brauner
2020-06-10 11:12     ` Karel Zak
2020-06-12 21:32       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-06-12 22:01       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-06-13 13:04       ` David Howells
2020-06-13 16:47         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-06-13 17:03           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-06-13 19:22         ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-06-13 13:24       ` David Howells
2020-06-13 18:00     ` pr-tracker-bot
2020-06-17  1:15     ` Williams, Dan J
2020-06-23 23:38       ` Dan Williams
2020-06-24  0:55       ` David Howells
2020-06-24  1:03         ` Dan Williams
2020-06-24  1:17         ` David Howells
2020-03-30 14:36 ` [GIT PULL] Mount and superblock notifications David Howells
2020-04-04 21:13   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-05 22:52     ` Andres Freund
2020-03-30 14:43 ` [GIT PULL] fsinfo: Filesystem information query David Howells
2020-03-30 20:28 ` Upcoming: Notifications, FS notifications and fsinfo() Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-31  9:21   ` Karel Zak
2020-03-30 21:17 ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-31  5:11   ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-31  8:15     ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-31  8:34       ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-31  8:34     ` Karel Zak
2020-03-31  8:56       ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-31  9:49         ` Karel Zak
2020-03-31 12:25         ` Lennart Poettering
2020-03-31 15:10           ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-31 15:24             ` Lennart Poettering
2020-03-31 21:56         ` David Howells
2020-03-31 21:54     ` David Howells
2020-04-01  8:43       ` Karel Zak
2020-03-31  7:22   ` Lennart Poettering
2020-03-31 17:31 ` David Howells
2020-03-31 19:42   ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-31 19:47   ` David Howells
2020-03-31 21:14   ` David Howells
2020-03-31 21:23   ` David Howells
2020-03-31 21:52 ` David Howells
2020-04-01  9:04   ` Karel Zak
2020-04-01 13:34     ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-01 13:55     ` David Howells
2020-04-01 13:58     ` David Howells
2020-04-01 15:25       ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-03  9:11         ` Karel Zak
2020-04-01 16:01       ` David Howells
2020-04-01 16:30         ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-02 15:22         ` David Howells
2020-04-02 15:24           ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-02 15:42           ` David Howells
2020-04-02 15:24         ` David Howells
2020-04-01 14:41   ` Lennart Poettering
2020-04-01 15:33     ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-01 16:06     ` David Howells
2020-04-01 16:40       ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-02  2:52         ` Ian Kent
2020-04-02 13:52           ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-02 14:36             ` Lennart Poettering
2020-04-02 15:22               ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-02 15:28                 ` Lennart Poettering
2020-04-02 15:35                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-02 15:50                     ` Lennart Poettering [this message]
2020-04-02 17:20                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-03 11:08                         ` Lennart Poettering
2020-04-03 11:48                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-03 15:01                             ` Lennart Poettering
2020-04-06  9:22                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-06 17:29                                 ` Lennart Poettering
2020-04-07  2:21                                   ` Ian Kent
2020-04-07 13:59                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-07 15:53                                       ` Lennart Poettering
2020-04-07 16:06                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-02 15:51                 ` David Howells
2020-04-02 15:56                 ` David Howells
2020-04-03  1:44             ` Ian Kent
2020-04-03 11:11               ` Lennart Poettering
2020-04-03 11:38                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-03 12:05                   ` Richard Weinberger
2020-04-03 15:12                   ` Lennart Poettering
2020-04-03 20:30                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2020-04-06  8:35                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-04-06 16:07                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2020-04-06  9:17                       ` Karel Zak
2020-04-06 16:34                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-06 18:46                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2020-04-06 18:48                           ` Lennart Poettering
2020-04-08  3:36                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03 15:36                   ` David Howells
2020-04-03 15:41                     ` Lennart Poettering

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