From: "gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Jakub Kicinski <jakub.kicinski@netronome.com>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com>,
Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, David M <david.m.ertman@intel.com>,
"alex.williamson@redhat.com" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
"davem@davemloft.net" <davem@davemloft.net>,
"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@mellanox.com>,
"kwankhede@nvidia.com" <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
"leon@kernel.org" <leon@kernel.org>,
"cohuck@redhat.com" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
Jiri Pirko <jiri@mellanox.com>,
"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
Or Gerlitz <gerlitz.or@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 00/19] Mellanox, mlx5 sub function support
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 10:18:55 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191110091855.GE1435668@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191109092747.26a1a37e@cakuba>
On Sat, Nov 09, 2019 at 09:27:47AM -0800, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 20:44:26 -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 08, 2019 at 01:45:59PM -0800, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > > Yes, my suggestion to use mdev was entirely based on the premise that
> > > the purpose of this work is to get vfio working.. otherwise I'm unclear
> > > as to why we'd need a bus in the first place. If this is just for
> > > containers - we have macvlan offload for years now, with no need for a
> > > separate device.
> >
> > This SF thing is a full fledged VF function, it is not at all like
> > macvlan. This is perhaps less important for the netdev part of the
> > world, but the difference is very big for the RDMA side, and should
> > enable VFIO too..
>
> Well, macvlan used VMDq so it was pretty much a "legacy SR-IOV" VF.
> I'd perhaps need to learn more about RDMA to appreciate the difference.
>
> > > On the RDMA/Intel front, would you mind explaining what the main
> > > motivation for the special buses is? I'm a little confurious.
> >
> > Well, the issue is driver binding. For years we have had these
> > multi-function netdev drivers that have a single PCI device which must
> > bind into multiple subsystems, ie mlx5 does netdev and RDMA, the cxgb
> > drivers do netdev, RDMA, SCSI initiator, SCSI target, etc. [And I
> > expect when NVMe over TCP rolls out we will have drivers like cxgb4
> > binding to 6 subsytems in total!]
>
> What I'm missing is why is it so bad to have a driver register to
> multiple subsystems.
Because these PCI devices seem to do "different" things all in one PCI
resource set. Blame the hardware designers :)
> I've seen no end of hacks caused people trying to split their driver
> too deeply by functionality. Separate sub-drivers, buses and modules.
>
> The nfp driver was split up before I upstreamed it, I merged it into
> one monolithic driver/module. Code is still split up cleanly internally,
> the architecture doesn't change in any major way. Sure 5% of developers
> were upset they can't do some partial reloads they were used to, but
> they got used to the new ways, and 100% of users were happy about the
> simplicity.
I agree, you should stick with the "one device/driver" thing where ever
possible, like you did.
> For the nfp I think the _real_ reason to have a bus was that it
> was expected to have some out-of-tree modules bind to it. Something
> I would not encourage :)
That's not ok, and I agree with you.
But there seems to be some more complex PCI devices that do lots of
different things all at once. Kind of like a PCI device that wants to
be both a keyboard and a storage device at the same time (i.e. a button
on a disk drive...)
thanks,
greg k-h
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-11-10 9:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-11-07 16:04 [PATCH net-next 00/19] Mellanox, mlx5 sub function support Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 01/19] net/mlx5: E-switch, Move devlink port close to eswitch port Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 02/19] net/mlx5: E-Switch, Add SF vport, vport-rep support Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 03/19] net/mlx5: Introduce SF table framework Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 04/19] net/mlx5: Introduce SF life cycle APIs to allocate/free Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 05/19] net/mlx5: E-Switch, Enable/disable SF's vport during SF life cycle Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 06/19] net/mlx5: Add support for mediated devices in switchdev mode Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 10:32 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 16:03 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 16:22 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 16:29 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 18:01 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 18:04 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 18:21 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 07/19] vfio/mdev: Introduce sha1 based mdev alias Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 11:04 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 15:59 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 16:28 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 11:10 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-11-08 16:03 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 08/19] vfio/mdev: Make mdev alias unique among all mdevs Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 10:49 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 15:13 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 09/19] vfio/mdev: Expose mdev alias in sysfs tree Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 13:22 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 18:03 ` Alex Williamson
2019-11-08 18:16 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 10/19] vfio/mdev: Introduce an API mdev_alias Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 11/19] vfio/mdev: Improvise mdev life cycle and parent removal scheme Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 13:01 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-11-08 16:12 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 12/19] devlink: Introduce mdev port flavour Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 20:38 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-07 21:03 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 1:17 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-08 1:44 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 2:20 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-08 2:31 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 9:46 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 15:45 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 16:31 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 16:43 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 18:11 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 18:23 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 18:34 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 18:56 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 9:30 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 15:41 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 13/19] net/mlx5: Register SF devlink port Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 14/19] net/mlx5: Share irqs between SFs and parent PCI device Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 15/19] net/mlx5: Add load/unload routines for SF driver binding Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 9:48 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 11:13 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 16/19] net/mlx5: Implement dma ops and params for mediated device Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 20:42 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-07 21:30 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 1:16 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-08 6:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-11-08 15:29 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 17/19] net/mlx5: Add mdev driver to bind to mdev devices Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 18/19] Documentation: net: mlx5: Add mdev usage documentation Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 16:08 ` [PATCH net-next 19/19] mtty: Optionally support mtty alias Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 6:26 ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-11-08 10:45 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 15:08 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 15:15 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 13:46 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-11-08 15:10 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 15:28 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-11-08 15:30 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 17:54 ` Alex Williamson
2019-11-08 9:51 ` [PATCH net-next 01/19] net/mlx5: E-switch, Move devlink port close to eswitch port Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 15:50 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 17:03 ` [PATCH net-next 00/19] Mellanox, mlx5 sub function support Leon Romanovsky
2019-11-07 20:10 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 6:20 ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-11-08 15:01 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-07 20:32 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-07 20:52 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 1:16 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-08 1:49 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 2:12 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-08 12:12 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 14:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-08 15:40 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 19:12 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-08 20:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-08 20:20 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 20:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-08 20:52 ` gregkh
2019-11-08 20:34 ` Alex Williamson
2019-11-08 21:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-08 21:19 ` gregkh
2019-11-08 21:52 ` Alex Williamson
2019-11-08 22:48 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-09 0:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-09 17:41 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-10 19:04 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-10 19:48 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-11 14:17 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-11 14:58 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-11 15:06 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-19 4:51 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-09 0:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-09 0:45 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-11 2:19 ` Jason Wang
2019-11-08 21:45 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-09 0:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-09 8:46 ` gregkh
2019-11-09 11:18 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-09 17:28 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-10 9:16 ` gregkh
2019-11-09 17:27 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-10 9:18 ` gregkh [this message]
2019-11-11 3:46 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-11 5:18 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-11 13:30 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-11 14:14 ` gregkh
2019-11-11 14:37 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-10 19:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-11 3:57 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-08 16:06 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 19:06 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-08 19:34 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 19:48 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-08 19:41 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 20:40 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-08 21:21 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-08 21:39 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-08 21:51 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-11-08 22:21 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-07 23:57 ` David Miller
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