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Subject: Re: [RFC 00/18] vfio: Adopt iommufd
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 21:51:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7015518e-dc19-d1f6-1eb8-a143be8d3721@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <abfebe33-149d-ce34-a178-f735afe2ca95@intel.com>

Hi,

On 4/18/22 2:09 PM, Yi Liu wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> On 2022/4/18 16:49, Tian, Kevin wrote:
>>> From: Liu, Yi L <yi.l.liu@intel.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2022 6:47 PM
>>>
>>> With the introduction of iommufd[1], the linux kernel provides a
>>> generic
>>> interface for userspace drivers to propagate their DMA mappings to
>>> kernel
>>> for assigned devices. This series does the porting of the VFIO devices
>>> onto the /dev/iommu uapi and let it coexist with the legacy
>>> implementation.
>>> Other devices like vpda, vfio mdev and etc. are not considered yet.
>>
>> vfio mdev has no special support in Qemu. Just that it's not supported
>> by iommufd yet thus can only be operated in legacy container
>> interface at
>> this point. Later once it's supported by the kernel suppose no
>> additional
>> enabling work is required for mdev in Qemu.
>
> yes. will make it more precise in next version.
>
>>>
>>> For vfio devices, the new interface is tied with device fd and iommufd
>>> as the iommufd solution is device-centric. This is different from
>>> legacy
>>> vfio which is group-centric. To support both interfaces in QEMU, this
>>> series introduces the iommu backend concept in the form of different
>>> container classes. The existing vfio container is named legacy
>>> container
>>> (equivalent with legacy iommu backend in this series), while the new
>>> iommufd based container is named as iommufd container (may also be
>>> mentioned
>>> as iommufd backend in this series). The two backend types have their
>>> own
>>> way to setup secure context and dma management interface. Below diagram
>>> shows how it looks like with both BEs.
>>>
>>>                      VFIO                           AddressSpace/Memory
>>>      +-------+  +----------+  +-----+  +-----+
>>>      |  pci  |  | platform |  |  ap |  | ccw |
>>>      +---+---+  +----+-----+  +--+--+  +--+--+    
>>> +----------------------+
>>>          |           |           |        |        |  
>>> AddressSpace       |
>>>          |           |           |        |       
>>> +------------+---------+
>>>      +---V-----------V-----------V--------V----+               /
>>>      |           VFIOAddressSpace              | <------------+
>>>      |                  |                      |  MemoryListener
>>>      |          VFIOContainer list             |
>>>      +-------+----------------------------+----+
>>>              |                            |
>>>              |                            |
>>>      +-------V------+            +--------V----------+
>>>      |   iommufd    |            |    vfio legacy    |
>>>      |  container   |            |     container     |
>>>      +-------+------+            +--------+----------+
>>>              |                            |
>>>              | /dev/iommu                 | /dev/vfio/vfio
>>>              | /dev/vfio/devices/vfioX    | /dev/vfio/$group_id
>>>   Userspace  |                            |
>>>
>>> ===========+============================+=======================
>>> =========
>>>   Kernel     |  device fd                 |
>>>              +---------------+            | group/container fd
>>>              | (BIND_IOMMUFD |            | (SET_CONTAINER/SET_IOMMU)
>>>              |  ATTACH_IOAS) |            | device fd
>>>              |               |            |
>>>              |       +-------V------------V-----------------+
>>>      iommufd |       |                vfio                  |
>>> (map/unmap  |       +---------+--------------------+-------+
>>>   ioas_copy) |                 |                    | map/unmap
>>>              |                 |                    |
>>>       +------V------+    +-----V------+      +------V--------+
>>>       | iommfd core |    |  device    |      |  vfio iommu   |
>>>       +-------------+    +------------+      +---------------+
>>
>> last row: s/iommfd/iommufd/
>
> thanks. a typo.
>
>> overall this sounds a reasonable abstraction. Later when vdpa starts
>> supporting iommufd probably the iommufd BE will become even
>> smaller with more logic shareable between vfio and vdpa.
>
> let's see if Jason Wang will give some idea. :-)
>
>>>
>>> [Secure Context setup]
>>> - iommufd BE: uses device fd and iommufd to setup secure context
>>>                (bind_iommufd, attach_ioas)
>>> - vfio legacy BE: uses group fd and container fd to setup secure
>>> context
>>>                    (set_container, set_iommu)
>>> [Device access]
>>> - iommufd BE: device fd is opened through /dev/vfio/devices/vfioX
>>> - vfio legacy BE: device fd is retrieved from group fd ioctl
>>> [DMA Mapping flow]
>>> - VFIOAddressSpace receives MemoryRegion add/del via MemoryListener
>>> - VFIO populates DMA map/unmap via the container BEs
>>>    *) iommufd BE: uses iommufd
>>>    *) vfio legacy BE: uses container fd
>>>
>>> This series qomifies the VFIOContainer object which acts as a base
>>> class
>>
>> what does 'qomify' mean? I didn't find this word from dictionary...
>>
>>> for a container. This base class is derived into the legacy VFIO
>>> container
>>> and the new iommufd based container. The base class implements generic
>>> code
>>> such as code related to memory_listener and address space management
>>> whereas
>>> the derived class implements callbacks that depend on the kernel
>>> user space
>>
>> 'the kernel user space'?
>
> aha, just want to express different BE callbacks will use different
> user interface exposed by kernel. will refine the wording.
>
>>
>>> being used.
>>>
>>> The selection of the backend is made on a device basis using the new
>>> iommufd option (on/off/auto). By default the iommufd backend is
>>> selected
>>> if supported by the host and by QEMU (iommufd KConfig). This option is
>>> currently available only for the vfio-pci device. For other types of
>>> devices, it does not yet exist and the legacy BE is chosen by default.
>>>
>>> Test done:
>>> - PCI and Platform device were tested
>>
>> In this case PCI uses iommufd while platform device uses legacy?
>
> For PCI, both legacy and iommufd were tested. The exploration kernel
> branch doesn't have the new device uapi for platform device, so I
> didn't test it.
> But I remember Eric should have tested it with iommufd. Eric?
No I just ran non regression tests for vfio-platform, in legacy mode. I
did not integrate with the new device uapi for platform device.
>
>>> - ccw and ap were only compile-tested
>>> - limited device hotplug test
>>> - vIOMMU test run for both legacy and iommufd backends (limited tests)
>>>
>>> This series was co-developed by Eric Auger and me based on the
>>> exploration
>>> iommufd kernel[2], complete code of this series is available in[3]. As
>>> iommufd kernel is in the early step (only iommufd generic interface
>>> is in
>>> mailing list), so this series hasn't made the iommufd backend fully
>>> on par
>>> with legacy backend w.r.t. features like p2p mappings, coherency
>>> tracking,
>>
>> what does 'coherency tracking' mean here? if related to iommu enforce
>> snoop it is fully handled by the kernel so far. I didn't find any use of
>> VFIO_DMA_CC_IOMMU in current Qemu.
>
> It's the kvm_group add/del stuffs.perhaps say kvm_group add/del
> equivalence
> would be better?
>
>>> live migration, etc. This series hasn't supported PCI devices
>>> without FLR
>>> neither as the kernel doesn't support VFIO_DEVICE_PCI_HOT_RESET when
>>> userspace
>>> is using iommufd. The kernel needs to be updated to accept device fd
>>> list for
>>> reset when userspace is using iommufd. Related work is in progress by
>>> Jason[4].
>>>
>>> TODOs:
>>> - Add DMA alias check for iommufd BE (group level)
>>> - Make pci.c to be BE agnostic. Needs kernel change as well to fix the
>>>    VFIO_DEVICE_PCI_HOT_RESET gap
>>> - Cleanup the VFIODevice fields as it's used in both BEs
>>> - Add locks
>>> - Replace list with g_tree
>>> - More tests
>>>
>>> Patch Overview:
>>>
>>> - Preparation:
>>>    0001-scripts-update-linux-headers-Add-iommufd.h.patch
>>>    0002-linux-headers-Import-latest-vfio.h-and-iommufd.h.patch
>>>    0003-hw-vfio-pci-fix-vfio_pci_hot_reset_result-trace-poin.patch
>>>    0004-vfio-pci-Use-vbasedev-local-variable-in-vfio_realize.patch
>>>    0005-vfio-common-Rename-VFIOGuestIOMMU-iommu-into-
>>> iommu_m.patch
>>
>> 3-5 are pure cleanups which could be sent out separately
>
> yes. may send later after checking with Eric. :-)
yes makes sense to send them separately.

Thanks

Eric
>
>>>    0006-vfio-common-Split-common.c-into-common.c-container.c.patch
>>>
>>> - Introduce container object and covert existing vfio to use it:
>>>    0007-vfio-Add-base-object-for-VFIOContainer.patch
>>>    0008-vfio-container-Introduce-vfio_attach-detach_device.patch
>>>    0009-vfio-platform-Use-vfio_-attach-detach-_device.patch
>>>    0010-vfio-ap-Use-vfio_-attach-detach-_device.patch
>>>    0011-vfio-ccw-Use-vfio_-attach-detach-_device.patch
>>>    0012-vfio-container-obj-Introduce-attach-detach-_device-c.patch
>>>    0013-vfio-container-obj-Introduce-VFIOContainer-reset-cal.patch
>>>
>>> - Introduce iommufd based container:
>>>    0014-hw-iommufd-Creation.patch
>>>    0015-vfio-iommufd-Implement-iommufd-backend.patch
>>>    0016-vfio-iommufd-Add-IOAS_COPY_DMA-support.patch
>>>
>>> - Add backend selection for vfio-pci:
>>>    0017-vfio-as-Allow-the-selection-of-a-given-iommu-backend.patch
>>>    0018-vfio-pci-Add-an-iommufd-option.patch
>>>
>>> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/0-v1-e79cd8d168e8+6-
>>> iommufd_jgg@nvidia.com/
>>> [2] https://github.com/luxis1999/iommufd/tree/iommufd-v5.17-rc6
>>> [3] https://github.com/luxis1999/qemu/tree/qemu-for-5.17-rc6-vm-rfcv1
>>> [4] https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/0-v1-a8faf768d202+125dd-
>>> vfio_mdev_no_group_jgg@nvidia.com/
>>
>> Following is probably more relevant to [4]:
>>
>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/10-v1-33906a626da1+16b0-vfio_kvm_no_group_jgg@nvidia.com/
>>
>
> absolutely.:-) thanks.
>
>> Thanks
>> Kevin
>


  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-25 19:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-14 10:46 [RFC 00/18] vfio: Adopt iommufd Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:46 ` [RFC 01/18] scripts/update-linux-headers: Add iommufd.h Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:46 ` [RFC 02/18] linux-headers: Import latest vfio.h and iommufd.h Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:46 ` [RFC 03/18] hw/vfio/pci: fix vfio_pci_hot_reset_result trace point Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:46 ` [RFC 04/18] vfio/pci: Use vbasedev local variable in vfio_realize() Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:46 ` [RFC 05/18] vfio/common: Rename VFIOGuestIOMMU::iommu into ::iommu_mr Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:46 ` [RFC 07/18] vfio: Add base object for VFIOContainer Yi Liu
2022-04-29  6:29   ` David Gibson
2022-05-03 13:05     ` Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:47 ` [RFC 08/18] vfio/container: Introduce vfio_[attach/detach]_device Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:47 ` [RFC 09/18] vfio/platform: Use vfio_[attach/detach]_device Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:47 ` [RFC 10/18] vfio/ap: " Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:47 ` [RFC 11/18] vfio/ccw: " Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:47 ` [RFC 12/18] vfio/container-obj: Introduce [attach/detach]_device container callbacks Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:47 ` [RFC 13/18] vfio/container-obj: Introduce VFIOContainer reset callback Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:47 ` [RFC 14/18] hw/iommufd: Creation Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:47 ` [RFC 15/18] vfio/iommufd: Implement iommufd backend Yi Liu
2022-04-22 14:58   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-22 21:33     ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-26  9:55     ` Yi Liu
2022-04-26 10:41       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-26 13:41         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-26 14:08           ` Yi Liu
2022-04-26 14:11             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-26 18:45               ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-26 19:27                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-26 20:59                   ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-26 23:08                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-26 13:53       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-14 10:47 ` [RFC 16/18] vfio/iommufd: Add IOAS_COPY_DMA support Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:47 ` [RFC 17/18] vfio/as: Allow the selection of a given iommu backend Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:47 ` [RFC 18/18] vfio/pci: Add an iommufd option Yi Liu
2022-04-15  8:37 ` [RFC 00/18] vfio: Adopt iommufd Nicolin Chen
2022-04-17 10:30   ` Eric Auger
2022-04-19  3:26     ` Nicolin Chen
2022-04-25 19:40       ` Eric Auger
2022-04-18  8:49 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-18 12:09   ` Yi Liu
2022-04-25 19:51     ` Eric Auger [this message]
2022-04-25 19:55   ` Eric Auger
2022-04-26  8:39     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-22 22:09 ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-25 10:10   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-04-25 13:36     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-25 14:37     ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-26  8:37       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-26 12:33         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-26 16:21         ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-26 16:42           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-26 19:24             ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-26 19:36               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-28  3:21           ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-28 14:24             ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-28 16:20               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-04-29  0:45                 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-25 20:23   ` Eric Auger
2022-04-25 22:53     ` Alex Williamson
2022-04-26  9:47 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2022-04-26 11:44   ` Eric Auger
2022-04-26 12:43     ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2022-04-26 16:35       ` Alex Williamson
2022-05-09 14:24         ` Zhangfei Gao
2022-05-10  3:17           ` Yi Liu
2022-05-10  6:51             ` Eric Auger
2022-05-10 12:35               ` Zhangfei Gao
2022-05-10 12:45                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-10 14:08                   ` Yi Liu
2022-05-11 14:17                     ` zhangfei.gao
2022-05-12  9:01                       ` zhangfei.gao
2022-05-17  8:55                         ` Yi Liu
2022-05-18  7:22                           ` zhangfei.gao
2022-05-18 14:00                             ` Yi Liu
2022-06-28  8:14                               ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2022-06-28  8:58                                 ` Eric Auger
2022-05-17  8:52                       ` Yi Liu

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