From: Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@mellanox.com>,
"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
cjia <cjia@nvidia.com>,
"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v2 0/2] Simplify mtty driver and mdev core
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 05:22:46 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM0PR05MB4866EEC687C9C46189939103D1A70@AM0PR05MB4866.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 10:29 AM
> To: Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com>
> Cc: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>; Jiri Pirko <jiri@mellanox.com>; David S .
> Miller <davem@davemloft.net>; Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>;
> Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>; kvm@vger.kernel.org; linux-
> kernel@vger.kernel.org; cjia <cjia@nvidia.com>; netdev@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] Simplify mtty driver and mdev core
>
> On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 03:56:08 +0000
> Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com> wrote:
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 1:14 AM
> > > To: Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com>
> > > Cc: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>; Jiri Pirko <jiri@mellanox.com>;
> > > David S . Miller <davem@davemloft.net>; Kirti Wankhede
> > > <kwankhede@nvidia.com>; Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>;
> > > kvm@vger.kernel.org; linux- kernel@vger.kernel.org; cjia
> > > <cjia@nvidia.com>; netdev@vger.kernel.org
> > > Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] Simplify mtty driver and mdev core
> > >
> > > On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 18:00:30 +0000
> > > Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 10:47 PM
> > > > > To: Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com>
> > > > > Cc: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>; Jiri Pirko
> > > > > <jiri@mellanox.com>; David S . Miller <davem@davemloft.net>;
> > > > > Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>; Cornelia Huck
> > > > > <cohuck@redhat.com>; kvm@vger.kernel.org; linux-
> > > > > kernel@vger.kernel.org; cjia <cjia@nvidia.com>;
> > > > > netdev@vger.kernel.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] Simplify mtty driver and mdev core
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 16:14:04 +0000 Parav Pandit
> > > > > <parav@mellanox.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Idea is to have mdev alias as optional.
> > > > > > > > Each mdev_parent says whether it wants mdev_core to
> > > > > > > > generate an alias or not. So only networking device drivers
> would set it to true.
> > > > > > > > For rest, alias won't be generated, and won't be compared
> > > > > > > > either during creation time. User continue to provide only uuid.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am tempted to have alias collision detection only within
> > > > > > > > children mdevs of the same parent, but doing so will
> > > > > > > > always mandate to prefix in netdev name. And currently we
> > > > > > > > are left with only 3 characters to prefix it, so that may not be
> good either.
> > > > > > > > Hence, I think mdev core wide alias is better with 12 characters.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I suppose it depends on the API, if the vendor driver can
> > > > > > > ask the mdev core for an alias as part of the device
> > > > > > > creation process, then it could manage the netdev namespace
> > > > > > > for all its devices, choosing how many characters to use,
> > > > > > > and fail the creation if it can't meet a uniqueness
> > > > > > > requirement. IOW, mdev-core would always provide a full
> > > > > > > sha1 and therefore gets itself out of the uniqueness/collision
> aspects.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > This doesn't work. At mdev core level 20 bytes sha1 are
> > > > > > unique, so mdev core allowed to create a mdev.
> > > > >
> > > > > The mdev vendor driver has the opportunity to fail the device
> > > > > creation in mdev_parent_ops.create().
> > > > >
> > > > That is not helpful for below reasons.
> > > > 1. vendor driver doesn't have visibility in other vendor's alias.
> > > > 2. Even for single vendor, it needs to maintain global list of
> > > > devices to see
> > > collision.
> > > > 3. multiple vendors needs to implement same scheme.
> > > >
> > > > Mdev core should be the owner. Shifting ownership from one layer
> > > > to a lower layer in vendor driver doesn't solve the problem (if
> > > > there is one, which I think doesn't exist).
> > > >
> > > > > > And then devlink core chooses
> > > > > > only 6 bytes (12 characters) and there is collision. Things
> > > > > > fall apart. Since mdev provides unique uuid based scheme, it's
> > > > > > the mdev core's ownership to provide unique aliases.
> > > > >
> > > > > You're suggesting/contemplating multiple solutions here, 3-char
> > > > > prefix + 12- char sha1 vs <parent netdev> + ?-char sha1. Also,
> > > > > the 15-char total limit is imposed by an external subsystem,
> > > > > where the vendor driver is the gateway between that subsystem
> > > > > and mdev. How would mdev integrate with another subsystem that
> > > > > maybe only has 9-chars available? Would the vendor driver API
> > > > > specify "I need an alias" or would it specify "I need an X-char length
> alias"?
> > > > Yes, Vendor driver should say how long the alias it wants.
> > > > However before we implement that, I suggest let such
> > > > vendor/user/driver arrive which needs that. Such variable length
> > > > alias can be added at that time and even with that alias collision
> > > > can be detected by single mdev module.
> > >
> > > If we agree that different alias lengths are possible, then I would
> > > request that minimally an mdev sample driver be modified to request
> > > an alias with a length that can be adjusted without recompiling in order
> to exercise the collision path.
> > >
> > Yes. this can be done. But I fail to understand the need to do so.
> > It is not the responsibility of the mdev core to show case sha1
> > collision efficiency/deficiency. So why do you insist exercise it?
>
> I don't understand what you're trying to imply with "show case sha1 collision
> efficiency/deficiency". Are you suggesting that I'm asking for this feature to
> experimentally test the probability of collisions at different character
> lengths? We can use shell scripts for that.
> I'm simply observing that collisions are possible based on user input, but
> they're not practical to test for at the character lengths we're using.
> Therefore, how do I tell QA to develop a tests to make sure the kernel and
> userspace tools that might be involved behave correctly when this rare event
> occurs?
>
Ok. so you want to have code coverage and want to add a knob for that.
That is fine. I will have the mdev_parent->ops.alias_len as API instead of bool.
And extend mtty module parameter to set the alias length.
Unfortunately similar code coverage doesn't exist for API like mdev_get/set_iommu_device() in sample of real vendor driver.
And QA is not able to test this functionality without tainting the kernel.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-08-24 5:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-08-02 6:59 [PATCH 0/2] Simplify mtty driver and mdev core Parav Pandit
2019-08-02 6:59 ` [PATCH 1/2] vfio-mdev/mtty: Simplify interrupt generation Parav Pandit
2019-08-06 8:15 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-02 6:59 ` [PATCH 2/2] vfio/mdev: Removed unused and redundant API for mdev name Parav Pandit
2019-08-06 8:29 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-06 13:12 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-06 14:18 ` [PATCH v1 0/2] Simplify mtty driver and mdev core Parav Pandit
2019-08-06 14:18 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] vfio-mdev/mtty: Simplify interrupt generation Parav Pandit
2019-08-06 14:18 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] vfio/mdev: Removed unused and redundant API for mdev UUID Parav Pandit
2019-08-07 9:28 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-07 16:33 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-08 8:29 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-08 14:01 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-08 14:12 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Simplify mtty driver and mdev core Parav Pandit
2019-08-08 14:12 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] vfio-mdev/mtty: Simplify interrupt generation Parav Pandit
2019-08-13 16:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-23 20:48 ` Alex Williamson
2019-08-08 14:12 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] vfio/mdev: Removed unused and redundant API for mdev UUID Parav Pandit
2019-08-13 16:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-16 15:22 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-08 23:02 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Simplify mtty driver and mdev core Alex Williamson
2019-08-09 8:07 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-12 11:35 ` Kirti Wankhede
2019-08-13 14:40 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-13 14:52 ` Alex Williamson
2019-08-13 16:28 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-13 16:34 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-13 17:11 ` Alex Williamson
2019-08-14 5:54 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-14 8:01 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-14 12:27 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-14 13:09 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-14 13:45 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-14 14:57 ` Alex Williamson
2019-08-14 16:21 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-20 8:58 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-20 9:58 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2019-08-20 11:25 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-20 16:31 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-21 2:42 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-20 17:19 ` Alex Williamson
2019-08-20 17:55 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-21 3:57 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-21 3:42 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-21 4:20 ` Alex Williamson
2019-08-21 4:40 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-21 4:57 ` Alex Williamson
2019-08-21 5:01 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-21 5:26 ` Alex Williamson
2019-08-21 6:23 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-22 9:29 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-22 9:42 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-22 9:58 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-22 10:04 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-22 12:19 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-22 13:33 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-23 8:12 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-23 8:14 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-23 14:28 ` Alex Williamson
2019-08-23 14:53 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-23 15:04 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-23 15:52 ` Alex Williamson
2019-08-23 16:14 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-23 17:16 ` Alex Williamson
2019-08-23 18:00 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-23 19:43 ` Alex Williamson
2019-08-24 3:56 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-24 4:45 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-24 4:59 ` Alex Williamson
2019-08-24 5:22 ` Parav Pandit [this message]
2019-08-13 16:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-13 17:40 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-08-14 5:30 ` Parav Pandit
2019-08-13 14:48 ` Parav Pandit
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