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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Kees Cook <keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Daniel Micay"
	<danielmicay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Thomas Garnier"
	<thgarnie-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Martin Schwidefsky"
	<schwidefsky-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Heiko Carstens"
	<heiko.carstens-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Dave Hansen"
	<dave.hansen-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"David Howells"
	<dhowells-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"René Nyffenegger"
	<mail-gLCNRsNSrVdVZEhyV+6z5nIPMjoJpjVV@public.gmane.org>,
	"Andrew Morton"
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	"Paul E . McKenney"
	<paulmck-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	"Eric W . Biederman"
	<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Pavel Tikhomirov"
	<ptikhomirov-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"Paolo Bonzini"
	<pbonzini-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Rik van Riel" <riel@redha>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 08:56:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170509065619.wmqa6z6w3n6xpvrw@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5jL61K0bRSEg9a_LswNyrt3K1J57REbWVcvAXT54zWwtMA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>


* Kees Cook <keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> > There's the option of using GCC plugins now that the infrastructure was 
> > upstreamed from grsecurity. It can be used as part of the regular build 
> > process and as long as the analysis is pretty simple it shouldn't hurt compile 
> > time much.
> 
> Well, and that the situation may arise due to memory corruption, not from 
> poorly-matched set_fs() calls, which static analysis won't help solve. We need 
> to catch this bad kernel state because it is a very bad state to run in.

If memory corruption corrupted the task state into having addr_limit set to 
KERNEL_DS then there's already a fair chance that it's game over: it could also 
have set *uid to 0, or changed a sensitive PF_ flag, or a number of other 
things...

Furthermore, think about it: there's literally an infinite amount of corrupted 
task states that could be a security problem and that could be checked after every 
system call. Do we want to check every one of them?

Thanks,

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-09  6:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-28 15:32 [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode Thomas Garnier
     [not found] ` <20170428153213.137279-1-thgarnie-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-28 15:32   ` [PATCH v9 2/4] x86/syscalls: Optimize address limit check Thomas Garnier
2017-05-05 22:18   ` [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode Thomas Garnier
     [not found]     ` <CAJcbSZGQsRVg3QZ9QfLn2HBC+RP-7fUTab0bYDJ455d8y8GyNw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-08  7:33       ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]         ` <20170508073352.caqe3fqf7nuxypgi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-08  7:52           ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]             ` <20170508075209.7aluvpwildw325rf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-08 15:22               ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2017-05-08 15:26                 ` Kees Cook
2017-05-08 19:51                   ` Thomas Garnier
     [not found]                   ` <CAGXu5jL61K0bRSEg9a_LswNyrt3K1J57REbWVcvAXT54zWwtMA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09  6:56                     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
     [not found]                       ` <20170509065619.wmqa6z6w3n6xpvrw-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09 11:10                         ` Greg KH
     [not found]                           ` <20170509111007.GA14702-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09 14:29                             ` Thomas Garnier
     [not found]                               ` <CAJcbSZFswDWZoK-1UK+xkRMJ4ttSYbtH2Y5WD5_aPR-8ru6t8A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-11 23:17                                 ` Thomas Garnier
     [not found]                                   ` <CAJcbSZEoRyewUtBHvqmNZL9FtT_q42Vmmd-EuC50x-ZRASiHHg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-11 23:44                                     ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                       ` <CA+55aFwvQfs_X+paQF6Luc0Rq+W3J2fKuHRou7=ANcquDdXdDA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12  5:28                                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-05-12  5:34                                           ` Kees Cook
2017-05-12  5:54                                             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-05-12 19:01                                               ` Kees Cook
2017-05-12 19:08                                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                                                 ` <CAGXu5jL9vUrn4kpjO+qa4cHmWBypeqP17OGbrMs=5Nz0YpQMZw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 19:08                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                                     ` <CA+55aFzbiBqsYb7vwO=+L4Vp_GOgPu+DBOrq4fBnyzq5DbBehg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 19:30                                                       ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                                                         ` <CAGXu5j+xmyJ6RhtPw9rUgs7k3sZ1KKWffvyGGG--oPfu9W42ng-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 20:21                                                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-05-12 20:30                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                                               ` <20170512203044.GI4626-IIpfhp3q70z/8w/KjCw3T+5/BudmfyzbbVWyRVo5IupeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 20:45                                                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-05-12 21:00                                                                   ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                                                                     ` <CAGXu5jL6FPuShBpZfi6+XHqOk4gxocUJRYPHT5oR3HYh3xm+sA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 21:04                                                                       ` Kees Cook
2017-05-13  7:21                                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-12 21:06                                                             ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                                               ` <20170512210645.GS390-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 21:16                                                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2017-05-12 21:17                                                                 ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                                                                   ` <CAGXu5jJu=VTqp2tzkPB4RAVxdGC+_SSQwrUwdzWpu24AA-zEcg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 21:23                                                                     ` Daniel Micay
2017-05-12 21:41                                                                     ` Al Viro
2017-05-12 21:47                                                                       ` Rik van Riel
     [not found]                                                                         ` <1494625675.29205.21.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 22:57                                                                           ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                                                       ` <20170512214144.GT390-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 21:50                                                                         ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                                             ` <CAGXu5j+EatK=DYONRkgovwLgytAnbG8jnAZaMSLckZFNVj3gig-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12  6:57                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-12  6:13                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-12  6:58                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-12 17:05                                         ` Thomas Garnier
2017-05-09 16:30                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-05-08 12:46           ` Greg KH
     [not found]             ` <20170508124621.GA20705-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09  6:45               ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                 ` <20170509064522.anusoikaalvlux3w-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09  8:56                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 13:00                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-09 13:02                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 16:03                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 16:50                           ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                             ` <CAGXu5jKHVMRMKDfn+=kkbm+JkWPhoEtDwKx=QXAYxg1p9bn7PQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09 22:52                               ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                 ` <CALCETrV73=cDvaSLOMvb299yaGNJYME8LC-=P+N6p7R1NN97Yg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09 23:31                                   ` Kees Cook
2017-05-10  1:59                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-10  7:15                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                     ` <CAGXu5jL6PeQmmdxh5h--fgrMK8DW_XZYpNfDOvvv_o9E3-Kxdw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-11 11:22                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2017-05-10  6:46                             ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                           ` <20170509160322.GA15902-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-10  2:11                             ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  2:45                               ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  3:12                                 ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                   ` <20170510031254.GC390-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-10  3:21                                     ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                       ` <20170510032137.GD390-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-10  3:39                                         ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  6:54                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10  6:53                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10  7:27                                     ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  7:35                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10  6:49                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10  7:28                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-10  7:35                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 16:05                       ` Brian Gerst
     [not found]                       ` <CALCETrUh8NO2scaqEM48K70Fo2+V3=Cpyk4JurCDiCYp4nm_+g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-10  7:37                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-10  8:08                           ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  8:14                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-11  0:18                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-12  7:00                         ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-12  7:15                           ` Al Viro
2017-05-12  7:35                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-12  8:07                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-12  8:23                                 ` Greg KH
     [not found]                             ` <20170512071549.GP390-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12  7:43                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-12  8:11                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-12  8:16                                   ` Al Viro
2017-05-12  8:11                                 ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                   ` <20170512081154.GQ390-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12  8:20                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-12 23:20                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-08 13:09         ` Kees Cook
2017-05-08 14:02           ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]             ` <20170508140230.23kxf2kfeazeo4zr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-08 14:06               ` Jann Horn
     [not found]                 ` <CAG48ez0Hz=CimkPwuq903tgJkGj8gXUtiQJJb-P2zUes6bd6Hw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-08 20:48                   ` Al Viro
     [not found]                     ` <20170508204858.GT29622-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-12 23:15                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-08 15:24               ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                 ` <CAGXu5jJ4iY7QZ9wRu5dmm7RHtLh_V6TQh4huWwLCYPKOr63aiA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-09  6:34                   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-04-28 15:32 ` [PATCH v9 3/4] arm/syscalls: Optimize address limit check Thomas Garnier
2017-04-28 15:32 ` [PATCH v9 4/4] arm64/syscalls: " Thomas Garnier

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