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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: "Dmitry V. Levin" <ldv-u2l5PoMzF/Vg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Moni Shoua <monis-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Mikko Rapeli <mikko.rapeli-X3B1VOXEql0@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailinglist
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Sean Hefty <sean.hefty-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Hal Rosenstock
	<hal.rosenstock-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-rdma <linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v06 30/36] uapi rdma/rdma_user_rxe.h: include in.h and in6.h
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:19:12 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170810161912.GA2491@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170810024747.GA30198-u2l5PoMzF/Vg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 05:47:48AM +0300, Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 09:52:41AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 04:48:08PM +0300, Moni Shoua wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure this is a good idea, linux/in.h should not be included in
> > > > userspace users of this file, 'sockaddr_in' needs to come from glibc's
> > > > 'netinet/in.h' instead..
> > 
> > > Is it wrong to include include/uapi/linux/in.h from userspace?
> > 
> > Generally speaking userspace should always use the glibc version of
> > the headers and not headers from under linux/
> 
> Sorry?  Isn't the main idea of UAPI in providing the Linux interface for
> userspace, unlike glibc headers that provide other more or less standard
> interfaces like GNU, POSIX, etc?

The issue is when glibc and linux provide the same standards based API
(eg in.h) - then the uapi version of in.h is really only for
consumption by glibc and other very special cases.

Forcing apps that need to access the rdma uapi that is not implemented
in glibc to deal with that mess is what is problematic. The uapi
system has a number of issues like this :|

If you make it so I cannot include rdma_user_rxe.h and netinet/in.h,
(for instance) in the same file then you broke user space use of the
header and things are worse off..

Jason
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-10 16:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-06 16:43 [PATCH v06 00/36] Userspace compile test and fixes for exported uapi header files Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:43 ` [PATCH v06 01/36] Add scripts/headers_compile_test.sh: compile test for exported uapi headers Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:43 ` [PATCH v06 02/36] uapi scsi/scsi_bsg_fc.h: use __u8, __u32 and __u64 from linux/types.h Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:43 ` [PATCH v06 03/36] uapi scsi/scsi_netlink.h: use __u8, __u16 " Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:43 ` [PATCH v06 04/36] uapi scsi/scsi_netlink_fc.h: use __u16, __u32 " Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 18:22   ` James Bottomley
     [not found]     ` <1502043773.2673.9.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-06 20:42       ` Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 22:09         ` James Bottomley
     [not found]           ` <1502057361.2673.21.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-07  6:08             ` Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:43 ` [PATCH v06 06/36] uapi asm-generic/ipcbuf.h: include linux/posix_types.h Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:43 ` [PATCH v06 07/36] uapi asm-generic/msgbuf.h: include asm/ipcbuf.h Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:43 ` [PATCH v06 08/36] uapi asm-generic/shmbuf.h: include fixes Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-08 22:42   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 09/36] uapi asm-generic/sembuf.h: include asm/posix_types.h and asm/ipcbuf.h Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-08 22:45   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 10/36] uapi asm-generic/signal.h: use __kernel_size_t instead of size_t Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 11/36] uapi asm-generic/ucontext.h: include asm/signal.h and asm/sigcontext.h Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 12/36] x86 uapi asm/signal.h: use __kernel_size_t instead of size_t Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-07 14:30   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-08-08 22:50   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 13/36] x86 uapi asm/sembuf.h: include linux/types.h and linux/ipc.h Mikko Rapeli
     [not found]   ` <20170806164428.2273-14-mikko.rapeli-X3B1VOXEql0@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-08 22:54     ` Dmitry V. Levin
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 14/36] arm uapi asm/signal.h: include <stddef.h> for size_t in userspace Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-08 22:57   ` Dmitry V. Levin
     [not found]     ` <20170808225739.GF10552-u2l5PoMzF/Vg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-09 12:41       ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]         ` <CAK8P3a30Vd2JquMvZ88tTO4jFAUMJGtUpvLuDmDPp2UFBYXDLQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-09 12:52           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 15/36] uapi linux/socket.h: include sys/socket.h in user space Mikko Rapeli
     [not found]   ` <20170806164428.2273-16-mikko.rapeli-X3B1VOXEql0@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-08 23:00     ` Dmitry V. Levin
     [not found]       ` <20170808230041.GG10552-u2l5PoMzF/Vg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-09 12:32         ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 16/36] uapi linux/dlm_netlink.h: include linux/dlmconstants.h Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 17/36] uapi linux/sctp.h: use __u8, __u16 and __u32 from linux/types.h Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 18/36] uapi linux/errqueue.h: include linux/time.h in user space Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 20:23   ` Willem de Bruijn
2017-08-06 20:26     ` Willem de Bruijn
2017-08-06 20:58       ` Mikko Rapeli
     [not found]     ` <CAF=yD-L2ntuH54J_SwN9WcpBMgkV_v0e-Q2Pu2mrQ3+1RozGFQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-06 20:56       ` Mikko Rapeli
     [not found]         ` <20170806205654.GF28459-dqH1CgrzRhOk/eJAJmRu5A@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-06 21:24           ` Willem de Bruijn
     [not found]             ` <CAF=yD-+w2sboybyUZ-6nKQy1s=Oi1S4Z5yZgksM-CzQjDRG+Vw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-06 21:33               ` Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 21:42                 ` Willem de Bruijn
     [not found]                   ` <CAF=yD-LN9b9q6sY38eCBM3VyfErQ8sqpQ_7fwkJzMxgjeRFtFg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-06 21:52                     ` Mikko Rapeli
     [not found]                       ` <20170806215244.GB31101-dqH1CgrzRhOk/eJAJmRu5A@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-06 22:03                         ` Willem de Bruijn
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 19/36] uapi linux/omapfb.h: use __kernel_size_t instead of size_t Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-07 15:00   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-08-08 23:11   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 20/36] uapi linux/scc.h: include linux/sockios.h Mikko Rapeli
     [not found] ` <20170806164428.2273-1-mikko.rapeli-X3B1VOXEql0@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-06 16:43   ` [PATCH v06 05/36] uapi linux/sysctl.h: use __kernel_size_t instead of size_t Mikko Rapeli
     [not found]     ` <20170806164428.2273-6-mikko.rapeli-X3B1VOXEql0@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-08 22:34       ` Dmitry V. Levin
2017-08-09  7:18         ` Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:44   ` [PATCH v06 21/36] uapi linux/kexec.h: " Mikko Rapeli
     [not found]     ` <20170806164428.2273-22-mikko.rapeli-X3B1VOXEql0@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-07 15:12       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-08-08 23:15     ` Dmitry V. Levin
2017-08-06 16:44   ` [PATCH v06 30/36] uapi rdma/rdma_user_rxe.h: include in.h and in6.h Mikko Rapeli
     [not found]     ` <20170806164428.2273-31-mikko.rapeli-X3B1VOXEql0@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-08 23:13       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20170808231306.GH29372-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-09 13:48           ` Moni Shoua
2017-08-09 15:52             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]               ` <20170809155241.GB15586-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-10  2:47                 ` Dmitry V. Levin
     [not found]                   ` <20170810024747.GA30198-u2l5PoMzF/Vg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-10 16:19                     ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2017-08-06 16:44   ` [PATCH v06 36/36] uapi linux/kfd_ioctl.h: use __u32 and __u64 instead of uint32_t and uint64_t Mikko Rapeli
     [not found]     ` <20170806164428.2273-37-mikko.rapeli-X3B1VOXEql0@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-07 15:01       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-09-02 12:30         ` Oded Gabbay
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 22/36] uapi linux/reiserfs_xattr.h: use __kernel_size_t instead of size_t Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-08 23:17   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 23/36] uapi linux/coda.h: use __kernel_pid_t and add u_short etc definitions for userspace Mikko Rapeli
     [not found]   ` <20170806164428.2273-24-mikko.rapeli-X3B1VOXEql0@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-07 15:06     ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 24/36] uapi linux/coda_psdev.h: move upc_req definition from uapi to kernel side headers Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 25/36] uapi linux/android/binder.h: use __kernel_pid_t and __kernel_uid_t Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 26/36] uapi xen/privcmd.h: fix compilation in userspace Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-15 22:58   ` [Xen-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 27/36] uapi xen/gntdev.h: include xen/privcmd.h and define grant_ref_t Mikko Rapeli
     [not found]   ` <20170806164428.2273-28-mikko.rapeli-X3B1VOXEql0@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-21 13:33     ` Juergen Gross
     [not found]       ` <ff3e726a-8e03-4543-7190-e6f8229b9e99-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-21 14:31         ` Boris Ostrovsky
     [not found]           ` <c4766f8b-fcd0-4158-2d70-72417bf4afbb-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-21 14:46             ` Juergen Gross
2017-08-21 14:59               ` Boris Ostrovsky
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 28/36] uapi xen/evtchn.h: include xen/privcmd.h Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 29/36] uapi linux/elfcore.h: remove non-compiling userspace parts Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 31/36] uapi linux/patchkey.h: change #error to #warning if file included directly Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 32/36] uapi drm/armada_drm.h: use __u32 and __u64 instead of uint32_t and uint64_t Mikko Rapeli
     [not found]   ` <20170806164428.2273-33-mikko.rapeli-X3B1VOXEql0@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-07  9:47     ` Daniel Vetter
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 33/36] uapi linux/fsmap.h: use __kernel_size_t instead of size_t Mikko Rapeli
     [not found]   ` <20170806164428.2273-34-mikko.rapeli-X3B1VOXEql0@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-07 15:54     ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-08-07 16:01       ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]         ` <CAK8P3a3sVWu9wiqct4h9njZC53qUOrLbM_wXL7XXZ8hfiuK7Lg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-07 16:45           ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-08-07 20:20             ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-08-08 23:08               ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-08-09  8:24                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 34/36] uapi: break dependency loop between <linux/hdlc/ioctl.h> and <linux/if.h> Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-06 16:44 ` [PATCH v06 35/36] uapi linux/tls.h: don't include <net/tcp.h> in user space Mikko Rapeli
2017-08-08 23:25   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2017-09-04 16:15     ` Dmitry V. Levin
     [not found]       ` <20170904161510.GA16001-u2l5PoMzF/Vg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2017-09-18 12:57         ` Mikko Rapeli

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