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From: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: "Mehta, Sohil" <sohil.mehta@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/13] x86 User Interrupts support
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 14:19:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YUxwuR4V+kwk1L34@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR11MB33203044CD5D7413846655F9E5DA9@BYAPR11MB3320.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 07:03:36PM +0000, Mehta, Sohil wrote:
> Resending.. There were some email delivery issues.
> 
> On 9/13/2021 1:27 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
> >	User Interrupts directly deliver events to user space and are
> >	10x faster than the closest alternative.
> 
> Thanks Dave. This is definitely more attention-grabbing than the
> previous intro. I'll include this next time.
> 
> One thing to note, the 10x gain is only applicable for User IPIs.
> For other source of User Interrupts (like kernel-to-user
> notifications and other external sources), we don't have the data
> yet.
> 
> I realized the User IPI data in the cover also needs some
> clarification. The 10x gain is only seen when the receiver is
> spinning in User space - waiting for interrupts.
> 
> If the receiver were to block (wait) in the kernel, the performance
> would drop as expected. However, User IPI (blocked) would still be
> 10% faster than Eventfd and 40% faster than signals.
> 
> Here is the updated table:
> +---------------------+-------------------------+
> | IPC type            |   Relative Latency      |
> |                     |(normalized to User IPI) |
> +---------------------+-------------------------+
> | User IPI            |                     1.0 |
> | User IPI (blocked)  |                     8.9 |
> | Signal              |                    14.8 |
> | Eventfd             |                     9.7 |
> | Pipe                |                    16.3 |
> | Domain              |                    17.3 |
> +---------------------+-------------------------+

Relative is just that, "relative".  If the real values are extremely
tiny, then relative is just "this goes a tiny tiny bit faster than what
you have today in eventfd", right?

So how about "absolute"?  What are we talking here?

And this is really only for the "one userspace task waking up another
userspace task" policies.  What real workload can actually use this?

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-23 12:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-13 20:01 [RFC PATCH 00/13] x86 User Interrupts support Sohil Mehta
2021-09-13 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 01/13] x86/uintr/man-page: Include man pages draft for reference Sohil Mehta
2021-09-13 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 02/13] Documentation/x86: Add documentation for User Interrupts Sohil Mehta
2021-09-13 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 03/13] x86/cpu: Enumerate User Interrupts support Sohil Mehta
2021-09-23 22:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-24 19:59     ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-27 20:42     ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-13 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 04/13] x86/fpu/xstate: Enumerate User Interrupts supervisor state Sohil Mehta
2021-09-23 22:34   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-27 22:25     ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-13 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 05/13] x86/irq: Reserve a user IPI notification vector Sohil Mehta
2021-09-23 23:07   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-25 13:30     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-26 12:39       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-27 19:07         ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-28  8:11           ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-27 19:26     ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-13 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 06/13] x86/uintr: Introduce uintr receiver syscalls Sohil Mehta
2021-09-23 12:26   ` Greg KH
2021-09-24  0:05     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-27 23:20     ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-28  4:39       ` Greg KH
2021-09-28 16:47         ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-23 23:52   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-27 23:57     ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-13 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 07/13] x86/process/64: Add uintr task context switch support Sohil Mehta
2021-09-24  0:41   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-28  0:30     ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-13 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 08/13] x86/process/64: Clean up uintr task fork and exit paths Sohil Mehta
2021-09-24  1:02   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-28  1:23     ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-13 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 09/13] x86/uintr: Introduce vector registration and uintr_fd syscall Sohil Mehta
2021-09-24 10:33   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-28 20:40     ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-13 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 10/13] x86/uintr: Introduce user IPI sender syscalls Sohil Mehta
2021-09-23 12:28   ` Greg KH
2021-09-28 18:01     ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-29  7:04       ` Greg KH
2021-09-29 14:27         ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-24 10:54   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-13 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 11/13] x86/uintr: Introduce uintr_wait() syscall Sohil Mehta
2021-09-24 11:04   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-25 12:08     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-28 23:13       ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-28 23:08     ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-26 14:41   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-29  1:09     ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-29  3:30   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-09-29  4:56     ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-30 18:08       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-09-30 19:29         ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-30 22:01           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-10-01  0:01             ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-01  4:41               ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-10-01  9:56                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-01 15:13                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-10-01 18:04                     ` Sohil Mehta
2021-10-01 21:29                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-01 23:00                       ` Sohil Mehta
2021-10-01 23:04                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-09-13 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 12/13] x86/uintr: Wire up the user interrupt syscalls Sohil Mehta
2021-09-13 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 13/13] selftests/x86: Add basic tests for User IPI Sohil Mehta
2021-09-13 20:27 ` [RFC PATCH 00/13] x86 User Interrupts support Dave Hansen
2021-09-14 19:03   ` Mehta, Sohil
2021-09-23 12:19     ` Greg KH [this message]
2021-09-23 14:09       ` Greg KH
2021-09-23 14:46         ` Dave Hansen
2021-09-23 15:07           ` Greg KH
2021-09-23 23:24         ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-23 23:09       ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-24  0:17       ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-23 14:39 ` Jens Axboe
2021-09-29  4:31 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-09-30 16:30   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-30 17:24     ` Sohil Mehta
2021-09-30 17:26       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-10-01 16:35       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-10-01 16:41         ` Richard Henderson
2021-09-30 16:26 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-10-01  0:40   ` Sohil Mehta
2021-10-01  8:19 ` Pavel Machek
2021-11-18 22:19   ` Sohil Mehta
2021-11-16  3:49 ` Prakash Sangappa
2021-11-18 21:44   ` Sohil Mehta
2021-12-22 16:17 ` Chrisma Pakha
2022-01-07  2:08   ` Sohil Mehta
2022-01-17  1:14     ` Chrisma Pakha

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