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From: Qu Wenruo <quwenruo.btrfs@gmx.com>
To: dsterba@suse.cz, Boris Burkov <boris@bur.io>
Cc: Qu Wenruo <wqu@suse.com>, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] btrfs: automatically remove the subvolume qgroup
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 07:35:11 +0930	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f8d3bf56-0554-44ec-ac1a-2604aaf37972@gmx.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240429163136.GG2585@suse.cz>



在 2024/4/30 02:01, David Sterba 写道:
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 06:13:33AM -0700, Boris Burkov wrote:
>> I support the auto deletion in the kernel as you propose, I think it
>> just makes sense. Who wants stale, empty qgroups around that aren't
>> attached to any subvol? I suppose that with the drop_thresh thing, it is
>> possible some parent qgroup still reflects the usage until the next full
>> scan?
>
> The stale qgroups have been out for a long time so removing them after
> subvolume deletion is changing default behaviour, this always breaks
> somebody's scripts or tools.

If needed I can introduce a compat bit (the first one), to tell the
behavior difference.

And if we go the compat bit way, I believe it can be the first example
on how to do a kernel behavior change correctly without breaking any
user space assumption.

Thanks,
Qu
>
>> Thinking out loud -- for regular qgroups, we could avoid this all if we
>> do the reaping when usage goes to 0 and there is no subvol. So remove
>> the qgroup as a consequence of the rescan, not the subvol delete. I
>> imagine this is quite a bit messier, though :(
>>
>> We could also just not auto-reap if that condition occurs (inconsistent
>> qg with a parent), but I think that may be surprising for the same
>> reasons that got you working on this in the first place...
>>
>> Do we know of an explicit need to support --no-delete-qgroup? It feels
>> like it is perfectly normal for us to improve the default behavior of
>> the kernel or userspace tools without supporting the old behavior as a
>> flag forever (without a user).
>
> $ id=$(btrfs inspect rootid subvol)
> $ btrfs subvolume delete subvol
> $ btrfs qgroup remove 0/$id 1/1 .                   <---- fails
> $ btrfs qgroup destroy 0/$id .                      <---- fails
>
>> Put another way, I think it would be perfectly reasonable to term the
>> stale qgroups a leaked memory resource and this patch a bug fix, if we
>> are willing to get overly philosophical about it. We don't carry around
>> eternal flags for bug fixes, unless it's some rather exceptional case.
>
> The command line option does not do what I expected, if somebody would
> have to update the scripts to add it then we can do the kernel
> auto-remove and the document it. Eventually we can translate the -ENOENT
> error code to be ignored.
>
>> If we are on the hook for supporing that flag because we already added
>> it to progs and don't want to deprecate it, then maybe we can think of
>> something compatible with default auto-reap.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-29 22:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-19  9:46 [PATCH v2 0/2] btrfs: qgroup: stale qgroups related impromvents Qu Wenruo
2024-04-19  9:46 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] btrfs: slightly loose the requirement for qgroup removal Qu Wenruo
2024-04-29 12:47   ` Boris Burkov
2024-04-29 22:00     ` Qu Wenruo
2024-04-29 22:19       ` Boris Burkov
2024-04-29 22:29         ` Qu Wenruo
2024-04-29 22:38           ` Boris Burkov
2024-04-19  9:46 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] btrfs: automatically remove the subvolume qgroup Qu Wenruo
2024-04-24 12:41   ` David Sterba
2024-04-24 22:19     ` Qu Wenruo
2024-04-25 12:34       ` David Sterba
2024-04-25 21:51         ` Qu Wenruo
2024-04-29 13:13           ` Boris Burkov
2024-04-29 16:31             ` David Sterba
2024-04-29 22:05               ` Qu Wenruo [this message]
2024-04-30 10:59                 ` David Sterba
2024-04-30 22:05                   ` Qu Wenruo
2024-04-30 22:18                     ` Boris Burkov
2024-04-30 22:27                       ` Qu Wenruo
2024-05-02 15:03                         ` David Sterba
2024-05-02 21:29                           ` Qu Wenruo
2024-05-03 12:46                             ` David Sterba
2024-05-03 22:14                               ` Qu Wenruo
2024-05-02 15:00                     ` David Sterba
2024-05-02 21:27                       ` Qu Wenruo
2024-04-29 22:49             ` Qu Wenruo
2024-04-29 16:36           ` David Sterba
2024-04-29 12:57   ` Boris Burkov

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